Buying in Florida, sailing back to Australia, Costs, regulations, customs.

[Jim Cate]

Originally Posted by knockabout

don't forget to give Australian customs 48 hours notice of entry by radio or phone before entering or risk big fines or jail or both

Umm... it is actually 96 hours, not 48, and e-mail is the preferred means of communication for most vessels, for it provides a "paper" trail in case of confusion.

Jim

[Bulawayo]

Useful information, thank you. Does this apply to all visiting boats? Especially foreign flagged? Can you give more notice; eg from last port of call, before actually leaving?
Cheers.

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

Umm... it is actually 96 hours, not 48, and e-mail is the preferred means of communication for most vessels, for it provides a "paper" trail in case of confusion.

Jim

[savoir]

The boat's flag makes no difference. If you don't have a satellite device then you will have to give more than 96 hours notice. eg the voyage from Noumea (the closest big port) takes about 5 days. Port Moresby to Thursday Island would be less but not too many come in that way.

[Bulawayo]

Thank you, Savoir.

Originally Posted by savoir

The boat's flag makes no difference. If you don't have a satellite device then you will have to give more than 96 hours notice. eg the voyage from Noumea (the closest big port) takes about 5 days. Port Moresby to Thursday Island would be less but not too many come in that way.

[Djarraluda]

Add a further 5% duty (unless built in US - the free trade deal helps there).
Add delivery from place of purchase - even if you do spend time in Asia. It is calculated to include reasonable costs such as food and fuel etc, so potentially, spend 3 years getting here and the cost increases
Finally add the 10% GST.

So we may get $100k purchase, (do not know if we include survey, slipping and repairs/modifications, but better expect that we do)
Plus 5% duty = $5k
Plus $30k shipping
Total for GST = 100 + 5 + 30 = $135k
Then 10% GST = $13.5k
Total will thus be $148.5k

Plus the customs and quarantine, registration etc.
Registration is a State by State thing, so decide where you are based, because you can not register in Victoria and then spend a year or so in Queensland. Each state wants their money!

[StuM]

Originally Posted by Bulawayo

Useful information, thank you. Does this apply to all visiting boats? Especially foreign flagged? Can you give more notice; eg from last port of call, before actually leaving?
Cheers.

It's a minimum of 96 hours. It can be up to 90 days as long as you give an estimated time of arrival.

It can actually be less than 96 hours under certain circumstances.

Port Moresby - Cairns is somewhere around 3 days (72 hours) depending on weather and vessel, so I can get away with 72 or even 48 hours notice.
But I normally send the email the day before departure.

https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Ente/...w-youre-coming

[StuM]

Originally Posted by Djarraluda

Add a further 5% duty (unless built in US - the free trade deal helps there).
Add delivery from place of purchase - even if you do spend time in Asia. It is calculated to include reasonable costs such as food and fuel etc, so potentially, spend 3 years getting here and the cost increases
Finally add the 10% GST.

So we may get $100k purchase, (do not know if we include survey, slipping and repairs/modifications, but better expect that we do)
Plus 5% duty = $5k
Plus $30k shipping
Total for GST = 100 + 5 + 30 = $135k
Then 10% GST = $13.5k
Total will thus be $148.5k

Plus the customs and quarantine, registration etc.
Registration is a State by State thing, so decide where you are based, because you can not register in Victoria and then spend a year or so in Queensland. Each state wants their money!

Assessed value for GST/Duty is explained quite clearly here:

https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Ente/...orting-a-yacht

[sparau]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

Umm... it is actually 96 hours, not 48, and e-mail is the preferred means of communication for most vessels, for it provides a "paper" trail in case of confusion.

Jim

Just a note about emails, it is not a guaranteed delivery system so perhaps try and get a response before you assume it has been received.

Shane

[Garethk]

How long do you propose to take to return to AUS? If it's over 12 mths you will most likely use a valuation broker and also in import broker as I did. Hope you have big pockets full of money as we tried to do a similar exercise from the Caribbean and got shafted by a French broker on a deal, Ended up costing $5K for the exercise and no boat!!!

Ended up making a purchase in Fiji then brought it home. Now I have a 400K boat that I can't get an offer around 250K with all the hassle I went through .

Sure you don't want to test the water over here and get a feel of what sailing a boat is all about!!! plenty on the market .

Yes the other posts are correct you will need to pay 10% GST and 5% duty if the boat is not a US build

[knockabout]

no, you have to give 48hours notice / applies to everybody all directions

[savoir]

The number of people to whom the 48 hours notice could apply is quite limited. Your journey must be less than 72 hours. StuM could do it but most others - no.

[StuM]

Originally Posted by knockabout

no, you have to give 48hours notice / applies to everybody all directions

No.

I repeat: Here's the official link:

https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Ente/...w-youre-coming

For those too lazy to follow the link, this is the first paragraph:

"If you're travelling by boat the master of a vessel arriving in Australia is required by law to give notice of impending arrival at least 96 hours before arrival. Penalties may apply for failure to do so. If the journey to Australia is likely to take less than 96 hours then use the table below to work out when to give notice."

[knockabout]

thank you jim cate correct it's 96 hours

http://www.cruiserswiki.org/wiki/Australia




Entrance
The following information was provided by Australian Customs regarding arrivals.
"The Master of a vessel arriving in Australia is required by law to give notice of impending arrival NOT LATER than 96 hours before arrival. Customs does realise that not all vessels are fitted with the latest communication equipment. For these vessel this requirement seems to cause confusion as people interpret it as notification must be given 96 hours prior to arrival. This is not the case. This is the minimum requirement. I'll explain this with an example below.
Example: A vessel is travelling from USA to Australia. The time frame is one month. The Master could report his impending arrival to Australia prior to departing USA. This would mean that he gives 1 months notice which meets the above criteria. Other alternatives is the Master could report his impending arrival from one of the ports he stops at on his way to Australia or prior to his departure from his last port before arriving in Australia. This may even be a week prior to his arrival, as long as the estimated sailing time is a minimum of 96 hours. Again this meets the above criteria for reporting to Customs."
Be warned that the 96 hour advance notification rule IS enforced. Yacht owners have been prosecuted for not complying, resulting in a criminal conviction, a fine, legal expenses and delays.
96 hours notice may be given by either:
Sending an email to yachtreport@customs.gov.au Sending a fax to: +61 2 6275 6331 Phoning the Australian Customs National Communications Centre +61 3 9244 8973 You will need to provide the following information:- The name of your craft Your intended first port of arrival Your estimated arrival time Your last four (4) ports of call The details of all people aboard incl. name, date of birth, nationality and passport number. Details of any illnesses or disease recently encountered. If you have any animals on board. If you have any firearms on board.
Customs does not have access to SSB/HF radio communications. The preferred radio communication is through VHF.
Full details of requirements and contact information can be located on the Customs web site. Foreign vessels MUST make landfall at an Official Port of Entry
If by chance the vessel arrives prior to lapsing of the 96 hours of arrival it can wait out the time anywhere it is safe to do so. If due to dangerous seas or a medical emergency landing earlier is necessary, then the vessel is able to progress to a safe haven or the Boarding Station. All that is required is that Customs is informed at the first possible opportunity. The 'Q' flag should be raised upon entry into the port. Customs, Quarantine and Immigration clearance must be completed prior to going ashore.
Please stay on board. No persons other than a Quarantine or Customs officer is allowed to board your craft, nor can any person, animal or article leave the craft until you have been given full clearance. Depending on your arrival time, Customs and Quarantine may require all persons to remain on board overnight before clearing you the following day.
Don't throw any waste or foodstuffs overboard while you're in Australian waters or while you are moored. Use designated quarantine disposal points.
Keep all food and animals secure until your vessel has been inspected by Quarantine officers.
Don't trade foodstuffs with other overseas vessels.
Keep your vessel free of insects.
To go ashore without prior clearance is an offence. Contact with other vessels in port prior to clearance is also prohibited."
Coastwatch
Vessels arriving in Australia or sailing within Australian waters should be aware that Customs aircraft (commonly known as Coastwatch) may overfly at low levels and query their identity on VHF channel 16, and therefore this channel should be monitored.

[StuM]

Originally Posted by savoir

The number of people to whom the 48 hours notice could apply is quite limited. Your journey must be less than 72 hours. StuM could do it but most others - no.

I've never managed the crossing in under 72 hours southbound on any boat and I've done it on quite a few.

I've only managed it northbound on my Belize (best time on the usual, slightly longer route inside Lizard is 65 hours).

[knockabout]

dear deanwright,


remembered a conversation probably how I mixed up 48 and 96 don't you do the same

Australian Customs is Wrong

the stories in the coastal passage with links to cruisers that had problems coming in / I don't have permission from the coastal passage people but I feel sure they won't mind