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[hpeer]

That is sort of the way my thinking was going. In my professional life some clients had their own fiber networks and no reason to ever touch the internet, except for maintenance issues. Some owners could understand that benefit, many could not.

Where I am right now is I can boot the Pi off of the provided 32gb SC card - sometimes. Not reliably.

I have loaded OpenPlotter 64- touch screen and gotten it through “verification complete” 3 times but the computer will not boot to it. I am using 16gb cards, maybe not the best. I should have some 64gb high quality cards in a couple of days. I will try again then.

I could NOT get BBN from Cloudfare, “This page is not working.” Tried a variety of downloads a couple of times.

[mgrouch]

Originally Posted by hpeer

That is sort of the way my thinking was going. In my professional life some clients had their own fiber networks and no reason to ever touch the internet, except for maintenance issues. Some owners could understand that benefit, many could not.

Where I am right now is I can boot the Pi off of the provided 32gb SC card - sometimes. Not reliably.

I have loaded OpenPlotter 64- touch screen and gotten it through “verification complete” 3 times but the computer will not boot to it. I am using 16gb cards, maybe not the best. I should have some 64gb high quality cards in a couple of days. I will try again then.

I could NOT get BBN from Cloudfare, “This page is not working.” Tried a variety of downloads a couple of times.

Cloudsmith allows only about 150 BBN OS downloads per month. By the end of the month it’s out of the quota. There is an alternative way to download it from GitHub but it’s not too beginner friendly.

[hpeer]

When I run Pi Imager the SD card appears as
USB "mounted as D:\,F:\"

And when I look at the SD card in File explorer it shows up as F: with no D:

I find that weird. Is this correct?

[wholybee]

Originally Posted by hpeer

When I run Pi Imager the SD card appears as
USB "mounted as D:\,F:\"

And when I look at the SD card in File explorer it shows up as F: with no D:

I find that weird. Is this correct?

I expect you are seeing 2 partitions, a boot partition, and the main OS partition. That would be normal.

FWIW, as an exercise I installed Openplotter on a Pi5 since this thread started, to evaluate how easy/hard it really was.

I have a lot of experience with Linux, a lot of experience troubleshooting, and a lot of experience imaging and setting up embedded devices. Also a lot of experience with OpenCPN. Interestingly, never an actual pi however. From opening the box, to having a working Openplotter system, with OpenCPN receiving and working with ship data and AIS was about one and a half hours. It actually took a lot less time than I expected. However, I ran into about half a dozen issues that if not for my experience could have caused many hours of aggravation. Stuff I either knew how to resolve, or knew where to look or google for the answer. It is very far from a working out of the box solution.

Since it think I read hpeer has an rpi5, I will start with the Openplotter download from the Openplotter Images page doesn't support or work on the rpi5, and it isn't clear about that. But, there is a newer version that does, found by following the "Openplotter 4 Roadmap" link.

[bdbcat]

wholybee...


If you have the time, we sure would be interested in a play-by-play of your experience bringing up OpenPlotter from bare metal. Especially the speed bumps.


Thanks
Dave

[Sailoog]

OpenPlotter 3 does not work on Raspberry 5, it only works on Raspberry 4 and 3.

If you have a Raspberry 5 you will need OpenPlotter 4 and it is still in beta but very close to stable: https://forum.openmarine.net/showthread.php?tid=5060

OpenPlotter 4 is not yet recommended for newbies because there is no docs yet and some things could still change. This time we will have the most complete docs we have ever had. There will be 3 editions "Starting", "Headless" and "Touchscreen" as usual but only for 64bit this time.

OpenPlotter 4 will work on Raspberry 3, 4 and 5. This is the real challenge due to the big hardware changes of Raspberry 5.

It will be fully compatible with MacArthur HAT, MAIANA AIS transponder, dAISy products, Pypilot and more hardware that will come until we achieve the fully open source boat.

This eternal discussion about open and proprietary products is exhausting. I do not understand why people insist on comparing things that have nothing to do with each other.

[mgrouch]

BBN Marine OS is free and open source and released for pi5 too with extensive documentation. It’s available in FULL and LITE versions.

You can download it from GitHub using the scripts mentioned in release notes.

https://github.com/bareboat-necessit...ag/v2024-04-20

You can copy and paste scripts from the web page as bash shell commands.

Cloudsmith download link works beginning of each month till it runs out of monthly download quotas.

[hpeer]

Originally Posted by mgrouch

BBN Marine OS is free and open source and released for pi5 too with extensive documentation. It’s available in FULL and LITE versions.

You can download it from GitHub using the scripts mentioned in release notes.

https://github.com/bareboat-necessit...ag/v2024-04-20

You can copy and paste scripts from the web page as bash shell commands.

Cloudsmith download link works beginning of each month till it runs out of monthly download quotas.

I see that OpenPlotter has a special touchscreen version but that is not obvious for BBN.

So will BBN work in my touch screen?

[mgrouch]

Originally Posted by hpeer

I see that OpenPlotter has a special touchscreen version but that is not obvious for BBN.

So will BBN work in my touch screen?

All BBN OS versions have touchscreen support which is superior to Openplotter.



Gesture recognition: long touch/release for right click emulation (system wide and in OpenCPN), two finger zoom, three finger scroll, on-screen touch keyboard.


Your screen needs to support resolution 1024x600 or higher and be generally supported on Raspberry Pi OS.



I've uploaded BBN OS images also on archive.org (It's slower on downoads,
but it doesn't have monthly limits)


Here is the link to downloads:


https://archive.org/download/bbn-mar...orm_2024-04-20


Archive details: https://archive.org/details/bbn-marine-os-bookworm_2024-04-20



BBN OS Getting Started Guide
https://bareboat-necessities.github....reboat-os.html

[hpeer]

Reading while awaiting my 64Gb SD cards and I came upon NOOBS!

A few questions.

I have some 16Gb SD cards I was trying to load to. I had NOT previously formatted them. But reading about imager it sounds like I do not need to worry about that.

What do I do with the new 75Gb cards? Do I need to format them to FAT32X (?) or does iMager do that, or are the simply not usable for the OS?

Later I will need to know how I format thumb drives for the charts.

[mgrouch]

Originally Posted by hpeer

Reading while awaiting my 64Gb SD cards and I came upon NOOBS!

A few questions.

I have some 16Gb SD cards I was trying to load to. I had NOT previously formatted them. But reading about imager it sounds like I do not need to worry about that.

What do I do with the new 75Gb cards? Do I need to format them to FAT32X (?) or does iMager do that, or are the simply not usable for the OS?

Later I will need to know how I format thumb drives for the charts.

No need to read about NOOBs. They have been deprecated a while back.

Why don’t you just try your 75Gb cards? Just use rpi imager. No need to format.

[Sailoog]

mgrough, don't you ever get tired?

[Kettlewell]

The answer with a Samsung phone is NexDock and Dex. Hook your phone up to the NexDock and you have a laptop or tablet powered by your phone. Works great! https://nexdock.com/

[Opie91]

Originally Posted by mgrouch

All BBN OS versions have touchscreen support which is superior to Openplotter.



Gesture recognition: long touch/release for right click emulation (system wide and in OpenCPN), two finger zoom, three finger scroll, on-screen touch keyboard.


Your screen needs to support resolution 1024x600 or higher and be generally supported on Raspberry Pi OS.



I've uploaded BBN OS images also on archive.org (It's slower on downoads,
but it doesn't have monthly limits)


Here is the link to downloads:


https://archive.org/download/bbn-mar...orm_2024-04-20


Archive details: https://archive.org/details/bbn-marine-os-bookworm_2024-04-20



BBN OS Getting Started Guide
https://bareboat-necessities.github....reboat-os.html

Try them both and you will see that OpenPlotter is far superior to BBN OS. Don't get me wrong BBN platform has some forward thinking ideas and contributes but no matter what mgrouch says there is a much larger user base for Openplotter including beta testers.

No comparison.

Here comes the shout down.....

[rgleason]

Best to treat this in the best tradition of Academic Colleagues... after all this is the same community.