Armed robbery in Mexico

[Mexdon]

On our TV news (Mexico City) two nights ago they stated that there have been 1800 gun related deaths in the USA in the last two months. That is thirty per day. So where is safe?

Just go, take care and be aware that things can and do happen or die of obesity as a couch potatoe.

[micah719]

Pity we never hear about how many lives are saved by responsible gun owners using these tools to prevent crimes. But, that's the unbiased media for you....hooray for journalism! Mind you, if we think about the fact that cars are demonstrably more deadly than guns, we should ban cars. And alcohol. One further step...to prevent drowing, water is now illegal. Report to a shoreline near you for bailing duty....we'll fix it!

[Celestialsailor]

Well congratulations everybody...it finally got turned into a gun thread.

[micah719]

And the perps in the OP were armed with bananas.

[boatsail]

I would rather retire at forty and take my chances in mexico than work till sixty and hope oi don't have any serious health issues that prevent me from living the life I want...working till you collect social security is more dangerous than mexico

[micah719]

My generation will not see our superannuation. It is being raided as we speak. I can expect a gruel queue and singing for pocket money. With my singing, I'll make a fortune. Extortion by any other name. Pay or I sing another stanza.

Celestial....I injected my microrant in response to Meddon's quoting of Mexican Television reporting US bangbang carnage (no mention of how many get fast & furiosly ventilated by Mexican parliamentarians....oops, I meant cartels). Afaik mentioning the "g" topic is still ok, as long as one doesn't mention "p" (no, not the galley sink rinse kind of "p"), or "r" (no, not the flexy thing you throw off the bow on a chain). I'm not a militarist, nor am I a boodthirsty triggerhappy paranoiac itching to blow someone away, but I am interested in seeing respectable people being left alone to protect themselves from the abundance of scoundrels in this world. Nobody else will. If you'll review my posts, you'll find littered amidst my absurdist humour and cynical sarcasm many attempts to come up with non "g" security solutions for cruisers, whereas the anti "g" folk just seem to promote the lay back and think of England approach and sling mud at any that refuse to join them. Now why is that?

[Boatguy30]

guns are great! make you so paranoid, you shoot your girlfriend if she needs to **** during the night.

[model 10]

The rudest person I ever met in Mexico was a Canadian.

[captainbri]

Originally Posted by David_Old_Jersey

The irony is that your location is given as Thailand. Murder rate higher than the USA and with an ongoing Muslim insurection as well as a couple of border disputes that go "live" now and again. Plus of course drug wars that do spark up now and again (the trick is to be on the side with the biggest Police - better for business )....and brewing civil unrest (apparently lots of folks have been smelling their end of the stick in recent years from being the peasant in a feudal society) - possibly that will become an armed conflict......or simply a(nother ) coup (which are not always as bloodless as reported in the press).......

.......oh, and Govt death squads, albeit to be fair, how else would you keep the lid on all that . The upside is that it makes a good place to have "secret" prisons, if you need to torture folks and sometimes make 'em dissapear in a way that is frowned upon back home......

But the locals smiling a lot makes for a good PR image .

you are correct, but i do not go down south where the problems are.

Murder rate per 100,000

Mexico 22.7

Thailand 5.3

USA 4.8

The chances of being murdered are 4 times higher in Mexico than Thailand.
If i told you i had a way to guarantee you had a 4 times greater chance of winning the lottery people would listen. it is what it is.

[sww914]

Originally Posted by Michael Samson

The rudest person I ever met in Mexico was a Canadian.

The Canadians that I've met here were nice, the ones that pissed me off were fellow Americans. You never know.

[sww914]

I've never thought about this, but consider for a moment that some of the people who get killed should have been killed because they're pricks. What if it's just more social cleansing in some countries.

[model 10]

That may be a bit harsh for most of these cases. In this latest deal though, the guy acted like he was Hugh Hefner so maybe you are right. However big boobs are nice looking, (sorry ladies for the chauvinism!)

[Mexdon]

Below is a full list of murder rates around the world. Even these figures state the Mexican figure includes the drug related murders (which account for half of the total murders here) so unless you are involved in that business Mexico is twice as safe as most of the popular Caribbean cruising destinations, which do not catch the knocking that some posters in this forum are very happy to throw at Mexico without really knowing the country or its people All I can say to them is stay north of the border we don't want you down here. Bigots and racists we can do without.

The first number after the country name is the murder rate per 100,000 population.

UNODC murder rates most recent year (full table here)
Country Rate Count Region Subregion
Burundi 21.7 1,726 Africa Eastern Africa
Comoros 12.2 85 Africa Eastern Africa
Djibouti 3.4 29 Africa Eastern Africa
Eritrea 17.8 879 Africa Eastern Africa
Ethiopia 22.5 20,239 Africa Eastern Africa
Kenya 20.1 7,733 Africa Eastern Africa
Madagascar 8.1 1,588 Africa Eastern Africa
Mauritius 2.5 33 Africa Eastern Africa
Mozambique 8.8 1,925 Africa Eastern Africa
Rwanda 17.1 1,708 Africa Eastern Africa
Seychelles 8.3 7 Africa Eastern Africa
Somalia 1.5 138+ Africa Eastern Africa
Tanzania 24.5 10,357 Africa Eastern Africa
Zimbabwe 14.3 1,775 Africa Eastern Africa
Angola 19.0 3,426 Africa Middle Africa
Cameroon 19.7 3,700 Africa Middle Africa
Central African Republic 29.3 1,240 Africa Middle Africa
Chad 15.8 1,686 Africa Middle Africa
Congo 30.8 1,180 Africa Middle Africa
Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7 13,558 Africa Middle Africa
Equatorial Guinea 20.7 137 Africa Middle Africa
São Tomé and Príncipe 1.9 3 Africa Middle Africa
Gabon 13.8 200 Africa Middle Africa
Algeria 1.5 516 Africa Northern Africa
Egypt 1.2 992 Africa Northern Africa
Libya 2.9 176+ Africa Northern Africa
Morocco 1.4 447 Africa Northern Africa
Sudan 24.2 10,028++ Africa Northern Africa
Tunisia 1.1 117 Africa Northern Africa
Botswana 14.5 287 Africa Southern Africa
Lesotho 35.2 764 Africa Southern Africa
Namibia 17.2 352 Africa Southern Africa
South Africa 31.8 15,940 Africa Southern Africa
Swaziland 12.9 141 Africa Southern Africa
Benin 15.1 1,262 Africa Western Africa
Burkina Faso 18.0 2,876 Africa Western Africa
Cape Verde 11.6 56 Africa Western Africa
Côte d'Ivoire 56.9 10,801 Africa Western Africa
Gambia 10.8 106 Africa Western Africa
Ghana 15.7 3,646 Africa Western Africa
Guinea 22.5 2,152 Africa Western Africa
Guinea-Bissau 20.2 294 Africa Western Africa
Liberia 10.1 371 Africa Western Africa
Mali 8.0 1,157 Africa Western Africa
Mauritania 14.7 485 Africa Western Africa
Niger 3.8 552 Africa Western Africa
Nigeria 12.2 18,422 Africa Western Africa
Senegal 8.7 1,027 Africa Western Africa
Sierra Leone 14.9 837 Africa Western Africa
Togo 10.9 627 Africa Western Africa
Anguilla 6.8 1 Americas Caribbean
Antigua and Barbuda 6.8 6 Americas Caribbean
Bahamas 27.4 94 Americas Caribbean
Barbados 11.3 31 Americas Caribbean
British Virgin Islands 8.6 2 Americas Caribbean
Cayman Islands 8.4 5 Americas Caribbean
Cuba 5.0 563 Americas Caribbean
Dominica 22.1 15 Americas Caribbean
Dominican Republic 25.0 2,513 Americas Caribbean
Grenada 11.5 12 Americas Caribbean
Guadeloupe 7.0 32 Americas Caribbean
Haiti 6.9 689 Americas Caribbean
Jamaica 52.2 1,430 Americas Caribbean
Martinique 4.2 17 Americas Caribbean
Montserrat 19.7 1 Americas Caribbean
Puerto Rico 26.2 983 Americas Caribbean
Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2 20 Americas Caribbean
Saint Lucia 25.2 44 Americas Caribbean
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9 25 Americas Caribbean
Trinidad and Tobago 35.2 472 Americas Caribbean
Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7 3 Americas Caribbean
U.S. Virgin Islands 39.2 43 Americas Caribbean
Belize 41.4 129 Americas Central America
Costa Rica 10.0 474 Americas Central America
El Salvador 69.2 4,308 Americas Central America
Guatemala 38.5 5,681 Americas Central America
Honduras 91.6 7,104 Americas Central America
Mexico 22.7 25,757+ Americas Northern America
Nicaragua 13.6 785 Americas Central America
Panama 21.6 759 Americas Central America
Bermuda 12.3 8 Americas Northern America
Canada 1.6 554 Americas Northern America
United States 4.8 14,748 Americas Northern America
Argentina 3.4 1,360*[Nota 1][9] Americas South America
Bolivia 8.9 884 Americas South America
Brazil 21.0 40,974 Americas South America
Chile 3.2 541 Americas South America
Colombia 31.0 14,670+[10] Americas South America
Ecuador 15.2 2,638 Americas South America
French Guiana 13.3 30 Americas South America
Guyana 18.6 140 Americas South America
Paraguay 11.5 741 Americas South America
Peru 10.3 2,969 Americas South America
Suriname 4.6 24 Americas South America
Uruguay 5.9 199 Americas South America
Venezuela 45.1 13,080 Americas South America
Kazakhstan 8.8 1,418 Asia Central Asia
Kyrgyzstan 20.1 1,072 Asia Central Asia
Tajikistan 2.1 143 Asia Central Asia
Turkmenistan 4.2 203 Asia Central Asia
Uzbekistan 3.1 831 Asia Central Asia
China 1.0 13,410 Asia Eastern Asia
Taiwan 3.2 743 Asia Eastern Asia
North Korea 15.2 3,658 Asia Eastern Asia
Hong Kong 0.2 17 Asia Eastern Asia
Japan 0.4 506 Asia Eastern Asia
Macau 0.7 4 Asia Eastern Asia
Mongolia 8.7 239 Asia Eastern Asia
South Korea 2.6 1,251 Asia Eastern Asia
Brunei 0.5 2 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Cambodia 3.4 448 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Indonesia 8.1 18,963 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Laos 4.6 279 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Malaysia 2.3 604 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Myanmar 10.2 4,800 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Philippines 5.4 4,947 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Singapore 0.3 16 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Thailand 4.8 3,307 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Timor-Leste 6.9 75 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Vietnam 1.6 1,346 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Afghanistan 2.4 712+ Asia Southern Asia
Bangladesh 2.7 3,988 Asia Southern Asia
Bhutan 1.0 7 Asia Southern Asia
India 3.4 40,752+ Asia Southern Asia
Iran 3.0 2,215 Asia Southern Asia
Maldives 1.6 5 Asia Southern Asia
Nepal 2.8 818 Asia Southern Asia
Pakistan 7.8 13,860+ Asia Southern Asia
Sri Lanka 3.6 745 Asia Southern Asia
Armenia 1.4 44 Asia Western Asia
Azerbaijan 2.2 206 Asia Western Asia
Bahrain 0.6 6 Asia Western Asia
Cyprus 1.7 19 Asia Western Asia
Iraq 2.0 608+ Asia Western Asia
Israel 2.1 159+ Asia Western Asia
Jordan 1.8 100 Asia Western Asia
Kuwait 2.2 59 Asia Western Asia
Lebanon 2.2 95 Asia Western Asia
Palestine 4.1 145+ Asia Western Asia
Oman 0.7 18 Asia Western Asia
Qatar 0.9 13 Asia Western Asia
Saudi Arabia 1.0 265+ Asia Western Asia
Syria 2.3 463+ Asia Western Asia
Turkey 3.3 2,320+ Asia Western Asia
United Arab Emirates 0.8 39 Asia Western Asia
Yemen 4.2 990+ Asia Western Asia
Belarus 4.9 473 Europe Eastern Europe
Bulgaria 2.0 147 Europe Eastern Europe
Czech Republic 1.7 181 Europe Eastern Europe
Georgia 4.3 187 Europe Eastern Europe
Hungary 1.3 133 Europe Eastern Europe
Poland 1.1 436 Europe Eastern Europe
Moldova 7.5 267 Europe Eastern Europe
Romania 2.0 421 Europe Eastern Europe
Russia 10.2 14,574 Europe Eastern Europe
Slovakia 1.5 84 Europe Eastern Europe
Ukraine 5.2 2,356 Europe Eastern Europe
Denmark 0.9 47 Europe Northern Europe
Estonia 5.2 70 Europe Northern Europe
Finland 2.2 118 Europe Northern Europe
Greenland 19.2 11 Europe Northern Europe
Iceland 0.3 1 Europe Northern Europe
Ireland 1.2 54 Europe Northern Europe
Latvia 3.1 70 Europe Northern Europe
Lithuania 6.6 219 Europe Northern Europe
Norway 0.6 29 Europe Northern Europe
Sweden 1.0 91 Europe Northern Europe
United Kingdom 1.2 722 Europe Northern Europe
Albania 4.0 127 Europe Southern Europe
Andorra 1.3 1 Europe Southern Europe
Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.5 56 Europe Southern Europe
Croatia 1.4 62 Europe Southern Europe
Greece 1.5 176 Europe Southern Europe
Italy 0.9 529 Europe Southern Europe
Malta 1.0 4 Europe Southern Europe
Montenegro 3.5 22 Europe Southern Europe
Portugal 1.2 124 Europe Southern Europe
Serbia 1.2 123 Europe Southern Europe
Slovenia 0.7 15 Europe Southern Europe
Spain 0.8 390 Europe Southern Europe
Macedonia 1.9 40 Europe Southern Europe
Austria 0.6 56 Europe Western Europe
Belgium 1.7 180 Europe Western Europe
France 1.1 682 Europe Western Europe
Germany 0.8 690 Europe Western Europe
Liechtenstein 2.8 1 Europe Western Europe
Luxembourg 2.5 12 Europe Western Europe
Monaco 0.0 0 Europe Western Europe
Netherlands 1.1 179 Europe Western Europe
Switzerland 0.7 52 Europe Western Europe
Australia 1.0 229 Oceania Australasia
New Zealand 0.9 39 Oceania Australasia
Fiji 2.8 23 Oceania Melanesia
Papua New Guinea 13.0 854 Oceania Melanesia
Solomon Islands 3.7 19 Oceania Melanesia
Vanuatu 0.9 2 Oceania Melanesia
Guam 0.6 1 Oceania Micronesia
Kiribati 7.3 7 Oceania Micronesia
Federated States of Micronesia 0.9 1 Oceania Micronesia
Nauru 9.8 1 Oceania Micronesia
Palau 0.0 0 Oceania Micronesia
French Polynesia 0.4 1 Oceania Polynesia
Samoa 1.1 2 Oceania Polynesia
Tonga 1.0 1 Oceania Polynesia

[minaret]

Lets all go to Palau. 0.0 murder rate with 0 killed. Of course Nauru is at 9.8% with 1 murder, so....

[senormechanico]

I didn't see Antarctica on the list, maybe I missed it.
Anyway, even if it has zero murders per year, I have NO interest in sailing there.
A return to Mexico is still high on my bucket list.