Covidiot Cruisers in the Solomon Islands

[Simon.Sails]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Sorry you think sailors are exempt from a countries laws, cause this thread isn’t about COVID

Where did I write as much? It's not about Covid? You must be reading another thread topic then.... "Covidiot Cruisers in the Solomon Islands" - which undoubtedly is a rather idiotic title given how far the Solomon Islands are from any other place by sailboat.

[OurOasis]

Originally Posted by Simon.Sails

Where did I write as much? It's not about Covid? You must be reading another thread topic then.... "Covidiot Cruisers in the Solomon Islands" - which undoubtedly is a rather idiotic title given how far the Solomon Islands are from any other place by sailboat.

Is it alright for cruisers to ignore/break laws of sovereign nations that they come upon in their travels? Is this acceptable?

Maybe the title should have been "---Idiot Cruisers in the Solomon Islands".

[Simon.Sails]

Originally Posted by OurOasis

Is it alright for cruisers to ignore/break laws of sovereign nations that they come upon in their travels? Is this acceptable?

Maybe the title should have been "---Idiot Cruisers in the Solomon Islands".

Strawman argument again... I never suggested as much, just read my post at least once please...

I took mild offence to the title - people staying on boats for weeks on end are the exact opposite of covidiots, that's all. If you want to be outraged about people not following some local laws and regulations while cruising that's your right of course... Personally it's not something I care about, I just follow the rules myself.

[theDangerz]

Originally Posted by Simon.Sails

I took mild offence to the title - people staying on boats for weeks on end are the exact opposite of covidiots, that's all. If you want to be outraged about people not following some local laws and regulations while cruising that's your right of course... Personally it's not something I care about, I just follow the rules myself.

Seems an odd point you're trying to make either way...
In any period of time this is an idiodic dismissal of local regs, but add the current pandemic (regardless of how many days they've been at sea) and it's hard to not agree that it's more egregiously bad/careless/wreckless/arrogant and added some risk of infection to a group of people who didn't need it or ask for it.

[jmh2002]

Originally Posted by skipmac

Just because "folks" would understand your meaning is not justification and does not make it proper, polite, nor correct to use the terminology.

You could use certain pejoratives to refer to people of certain ethnic backgrounds and "folks" would all know what you're talking about but does not mean it would be acceptable to do so, at least in polite company.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Simon.Sails

Where did I write as much? It's not about Covid? You must be reading another thread topic then.... "Covidiot Cruisers in the Solomon Islands" - which undoubtedly is a rather idiotic title given how far the Solomon Islands are from any other place by sailboat.

The point is , it’s not up to an individual to decide themselves what part of the Covid regulations apply to them. Ie if I do this and that then I’m ok to break rule A or B

Ie even if they were are sea for three years that doesn’t give them the right to “ reinterpret “ the Solomon Islands laws.

That’s why it’s not about Covid. It’s respect for national laws.

[contrail]

Originally Posted by Simon.Sails

Strawman argument again... I never suggested as much, just read my post at least once please...

I took mild offence to the title - people staying on boats for weeks on end are the exact opposite of covidiots, that's all. If you want to be outraged about people not following some local laws and regulations while cruising that's your right of course... Personally it's not something I care about, I just follow the rules myself.

Some local laws, as you put it, ARE the laws of the country these folks are in. Our laws are irrelevant.


On another note, those who invoke the Stasi, etc, forget that most of these small island states do not have large police forces, largely because most people follow the law. So it is definitely "on" for someone to report something that has been defined as important, and when there are no policing agents around. Completely different situation.

[Adelie]

Originally Posted by Simon.Sails

......If you want to be outraged about people not following some local laws and regulations while cruising that's your right of course... Personally it's not something I care about, I just follow the rules myself.

Are you arguing that the local laws are invalid and to be ignored?
If so, on what basis do you make this argument?

[Jason Flare]

Originally Posted by Adelie

Are you arguing that the local laws are invalid and to be ignored?
If so, on what basis do you make this argument?

Where did this come from?

[Adelie]

From the post I quoted. It’s not clear which way that member is arguing.

[Jason Flare]

Originally Posted by Adelie

From the post I quoted. It’s not clear which way that member is arguing.

His post is very clear.

[Fore and Aft]

I stand by my thread title. Down under we would have said they were bloody idiots and if they persisted in breaking the law then we would have said they are w*nkers and needed sorting out.
It is just normal good manners to obey the countries laws you are visiting, period. No ifs or buts or exemptions.
Really if you are not interested in obeying the law then do the rest of the world a favour and stay home until this pandemic passes.
Cheers

[JPA Cate]

If what daletournier wrote is correct, and it very well may be, I can see this having developed to being a buddy boat situation, where the one skipper has a watermaker that has never worked properly, may still not be working properly, and the other guy stayed with him to offer water if needed.

I agree they should have notified the Solomon Is. gov't in Honiara, and do not know why they went where they did, but I'd like to learn why they didn't notify or go straight to Honiara. Gizo's an entry port, too, but maybe not during Covid 19.

To me, it is that water is one of our most basic needs, and I do not know why the one boat is inadequately supplied. I know people who have lost the potability of their tank water due to salt water intrusion through a cracked O-ring seal at the deck fill. It is one way you can wind up with drastically less water than you thought you had. To me, it is the fact of not knowing, coupled with one's great need for water that makes me want to avoid judging them harshly at this point. And, I would venture to say, if what the authorities find out satisfies them, there will be no boat confiscation, nor jail time.

Ann

[Jim Cate]

To me the "idiot" part comes from not making their entry at Gizo, the official entry port. It was not all that far from the one they chose, would have had water available, possibly alongside (it has been some years since we were there), officials to grant permission or deny it, and in general, an official culture that was used to dealing with incoming yachts. To ignore this does approach idiocy IMO.

I accept Dale's affirmation that they are "good guys" in general, but I think they really screwed up in this instance... reasons unknown to us. I dunno what the outcome will be for them, but I'm pretty sure that the Sollies future interactions with yotties won't be improved (from our point of view).

Jim

[StuM]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

To me the "idiot" part comes from not making their entry at Gizo, the official entry port. It was not all that far from the one they chose,

You may like to check your geography.
They clearly came into SI from the south east and stopped at Aola on Guadalcanal about 30NM sailing short of Honiara (25 as the crow flies) and just out of likely VHF range!.



Gizo is about another 250NM sailing to the north west of there.