Do we need to be preparing for Arctic cruising strategies because of Global Cooling

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

Very good Stu. Hence proving the point that since humans were "made of food", many tribes of early man were cannibals. Oh wait...we evolved from that profile.
Let me guess...clubs don't kill people, people kill people...he he he

Most carnivorous species display cannibalistic tendencies it is just in recent history that humans have identified cannibalism as a taboo.

[Thorne]

Nothing will kill a thread faster than carnivorous cannibals.

[Celestialsailor]

Too late...

[StuM]

Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

Very good Stu. Hence proving the point that since humans were "made of food", many tribes of early man were cannibals. Oh wait...we evolved from that profile.

Not that "early" around these parts

[Reefmagnet]

See, this what defines an alarmist. An alarmists thinks we shouldn't eat meat just because. Despite humans have eaten meat since the beginning; despite humans are omnivorous; despite humans digestive systems evolved to digest an omnivorous diet; despite that the sense of taste in all animals for the most part determine what they eat and lots of animals are tasty to us; despite the whole vegetarian thing being a modern concoction; forget all that. Let's not let the bleeding obvious influence our thinking, after all.

Kind of like the whole "woe is us, the climate is changing" argument despite the climate is, and always has been, changing; despite the co2 atmospheric content of the geological recent past being higher; despite co2 content has never been static; despite the average global temperatures of the recent geological past being higher; despite average global temperatures have never been static; forget all that. Forget the bleeding obvious.

Sent from my SGP521 using Cruisers Sailing Forum mobile app

[Celestialsailor]

Originally Posted by StuM

Not that "early" around these parts

I'm hopefully heading off to the Marquesas next year. That process was reported no longer than a few years back when a German man went hunting with a local and was "apparently" discovered dead and partly consumed.

Death in Paradise: The Killing of Stefan Ramin | GQ

[fryewe]

I seem to remember repeated comments pshawing the idea that they may be conspiracies hiding out there among the AGCC proponents.

Maybe that's not such a far-fetched idea after all...

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/08/...foia-requests/

[SailOar]

Zillow says climate change could leave 2M U.S. homes underwater — literally | Geek Wire

The U.S. housing market is finally recovering from the Great Recession — but now comes the tide of an equally insidious threat: Climate change. New Zillow research shows that unchecked climate change could leave 1.9 million homes underwater by 2100...

[fryewe]

Originally Posted by SailOar

Zillow says climate change could leave 2M U.S. homes underwater — literally | Geek Wire

I always look forward to the findings of those crack Zillow research teams.

[SailOar]

Great Lakes are warming more than twice as fast as the oceans, new study says | The Star

Lakes are warming much faster than the climate as a whole, the study says. Lake Superior is the second fastest warming lake studied...

[jimbunyard]

Originally Posted by SailOar

Great Lakes are warming more than twice as fast as the oceans, new study says | The Star

From the National Weather Service Environmental Modeling Center real time global sea surface temperature analysis, for yesterday. As you can see all the Great Lakes are at least 4C over 'normal', looks like Lake Superior is 8C over on about 75% of its' surface...

You can see the full map, with legend, here;

http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/sst/rtg_h..._65N_ophi0.png

Anomaly from 1961-1990 climatology, 1 degree, weekly resolution

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by SailOar

Great Lakes are warming more than twice as fast as the oceans, new study says | The Star

Originally Posted by jimbunyard

From the National Weather Service Environmental Modeling Center real time global sea surface temperature analysis, for yesterday. As you can see all the Great Lakes are at least 4C over 'normal', looks like Lake Superior is 8C over on about 75% of its' surface...

You can see the full map, with legend, here;

http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/sst/rtg_h..._65N_ophi0.png

Anomaly from 1961-1990 climatology, 1 degree, weekly resolution

Yessiree....

It's global warming just because.

There is no evidence to point to a single mechanism for the increases, said Read.

“We could be looking at regional differences like cloud cover, regional air temperature or even changes in hydrology

...above taken from the star article.

P.s. Quoting algal blooms in the 1960's as proof of algal blooms caused by global warming? Really?

Also, quoting invasive species proliferation to be caused by global warming? Umm, nope. Invasive species proliferate because they're introduced to new environments that are devoid of competition and predators for that particular species.

Sent from my SGP521 using Cruisers Sailing Forum mobile app

[newhaul]

Meanwhile back to the crux of the thread the NWP and the NEP are still choked with solid sea ice. Environment and Climate Change Canada - Weather and Meteorology - Full resolution map

[Celestialsailor]

THIS JUST IN!>>>

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2011/08/19/aliens-could-attack-earth-to-end-global-warming-nasa-scientist-claims.html

and this...

Do aliens cause global warming? The data say ‘yes!’ « Roy Spencer, PhD

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

See, this what defines an alarmist. An alarmists thinks we shouldn't eat meat just because. Despite humans have eaten meat since the beginning; despite humans are omnivorous; despite humans digestive systems evolved to digest an omnivorous diet; despite that the sense of taste in all animals for the most part determine what they eat and lots of animals are tasty to us; despite the whole vegetarian thing being a modern concoction; forget all that. Let's not let the bleeding obvious influence our thinking, after all.

Kind of like the whole "woe is us, the climate is changing" argument despite the climate is, and always has been, changing; despite the co2 atmospheric content of the geological recent past being higher; despite co2 content has never been static; despite the average global temperatures of the recent geological past being higher; despite average global temperatures have never been static; forget all that. Forget the bleeding obvious.

Well, ever since we figured out this abstract thinking thing, we've been able to exceed the limitations of our sensory/emotional "animal" base to learn more about ourselves and our planet, and to achieve some pretty neat stuff.

Our animal instincts are also traps: we are all wired by evolution to crave things like sugar, salt, starches... and look where that's gotten us, weight-wise.

Sure we evolved to have meat in our diet. (Our ancestors ate a sh1tload of bugs too. How many do you eat?) But that abstract-thinking thing informs us that meat production for the western market is inefficient and may not scale up. And it's also killing us; the majority of us know that a meat-free or meat-reduced diet is healthier from a cholesterol & fat point of view. Especially in cruisers seniors. Some people have ethical concerns about the mistreatment of animals. So being a little bit heads-up about your diet is hardly alarmist.

Likewise, another small exertion of that capacious brain should make plain that the prevailing western mode of energy use can't scale up without some changes and efficiencies, and that fossil fuels are finite. (Ditto for economic models, but y'all are miles away from willing to take that on.). Hardly alarmist to be mindful of that, or of the mess we are making, is it?

See, your lame rationalizations and name-calling are what define a close-minded, willfully-ignorant ... denier. (Ok we have names for you too )