Libya And Surrounding Med Waters Invasion

[GoingWalkabout]

Originally Posted by athene

No he didn't. But he did write

A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.

which others on this thread perhaps ought to digest ...

GORDON KNIGHT

I stand corrected. While many think the saying was attributed to Shakespeare in his Hamlet Chapter 2.2 having just read it I can say this is not the source. The exact origin is unknown while some say its from a Greek tragedy.

Here as a list of some unknown origin sayings.
Robert Christy, comp. Proverbs, Maxims and Phrases of All Ages. 1887.

Uncertainty

All between the cradle and the coffin is uncertain. 1
Between the hand and the lip the morsel may slip. 2
Between the hand and the mouth the soup is often spilt. French, German, Spanish, Portuguese. 3
Many a slip between the cup and the lip. 4
There is many a slip ’twixt the cup and the lip. 5
’Twixt the spoon and the lip, the morsel may slip. Danish.

But alas. No direct connection with William.

regards,
Chaya

[jmczzz]

as a vet all i can say is loose lips kill soldiers. repeating unfounded rumors included.

[ka4wja]

Been busy working yesterday and today, so haven't had a chance to watch BBC, CNN, etc., nor read much news online, so when I read this thread (just in the past couple minutes), I did a quick google search and found some interesting things...

As of a few minutes ago (mid afternoon US EST, Monday Jan 25, 2016), neither CNN, BBC, Reuters, etc. were not reporting this "invasion", but rather about Libya's "government" rejecting the UN-backed "peace deal"...

Here's Reuter's latest:
Libya's recognized parliament rejects U.N.-backed unity government | Reuters



The only reports that are showing this "invasion" are those using the DEBKA File, and/or Asharq al-Awsat, as their source...
(online journalists using other online postings as their source)
Not saying they are wrong, just that the accepted "2-source" (2-legitimate, independent sources, that is) standard is probably not being adhered to...
(and notice there is no direct quote from the Chrm of Joint Chiefs...)

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News...-in-Libya.html

Notice the story is based on this one source ("London-based daily Asharq al-Awsat")
Here is the linked story, quoted directly from the Al Arabiya site:

Dozens of British, Russia and American troops have arrived in Libya in support for the weak internationally-recognized government in Tobruk, London-based daily
Asharq al-Awsat reported.

The daily also said French troops are expected to arrive soon for the same purpose.

The officers and soldiers are currently stationed in Jamal Abdulnasir military base south of Tobruk where the parliament is holding its sessions in the city.

Witnesses in the base, meanwhile, said the number of foreign troops mounts to 500 troops in the past three weeks, but a security official, who spoke under the condition of anonymity, said they are just dozens.

However, a small group of Americans have arrived west of Tripoli, where the opposing government is.

On Friday, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Joseph Dunford said a decisive military action is needed to halt the spread of Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) in Libya, saying the group wanted to use the north African nation as a platform to coordinate activity across the continent.

A spokesman for Libya’s recognized government in the east told AFP it was requesting a “limited intervention by the international community to "protect oil fields from ISIS attacks.”

Hatem el-Ouraybi said the government wanted “air strikes against ISIS positions” in Libya.

The government has previously called for an air campaign against ISIS, like in Iraq and Syria, but world powers are first waiting for rival sides to endorse the unity administration.

And, here are some other online reports...also using other online sources....
Foreign military intervention in Libya increasing

'British American and Russian troops in Libya' | MENAFN.COM




So, you can all make of this what you wish...
For me, whether the "invasion" is going forward or not, or whatever might be planned, or not planned, cruising near Libya would not be my recommendation, for the near future!
But, that's been a no-brainer for the past few years....so not sure if this recent news makes a difference to anyone's cruising plans...
(now if you wish to discuss int'l politics.....you're on your own!)


Fair winds..

John

[tropicalescape]

Originally Posted by bustermaw

Hi Going Walkabout,
I don't know where you got your information , (nor do i care ). If it's true then yet more people are going to suffer from the greed of arms dealers around the world.
America seems intent on leading the western world into permanent wars to satisfy the military complex of those nations.
ISIS is a result of western interference in the middle east.
But,hey they're only WOG,S who don't deserve our sympathy.Right ?
Are a few yachtsmen going to be inconvenienced.Tough !

"If its true" ? " it aint" ... we should all care where we get our information or we could just ask the homeless man down in south Georga that has never driven a car or been out of the city how to get to Oshkosh (Begosh!) does that seem logical ?...According to Israeli intelligence" 90% of DebKas content is WRONG" ...Sounds like Israeli version of "The National Enquirer"...

[GoingWalkabout]

Originally Posted by ka4wja

Been busy working yesterday and today, so haven't had a chance to watch BBC, CNN, etc., nor read much news online, so when I read this thread (just in the past couple minutes), I did a quick google search and found some interesting things...

As of a few minutes ago (mid afternoon US EST, Monday Jan 25, 2016), neither CNN, BBC, Reuters, etc. were not reporting this "invasion", but rather about Libya's "government" rejecting the UN-backed "peace deal"...

Here's Reuter's latest:
Libya's recognized parliament rejects U.N.-backed unity government | Reuters



The only reports that are showing this "invasion" are those using the DEBKA File, and/or Asharq al-Awsat, as their source...
(online journalists using other online postings as their source)
Not saying they are wrong, just that the accepted "2-source" (2-legitimate, independent sources, that is) standard is probably not being adhered to...

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News...-in-Libya.html

Notice the story is based on this one source ("London-based daily Asharq al-Awsat")
Here is the linked story, quoted directly from the Al Arabiya site:




And, here are some other online reports...also using other online sources....
Foreign military intervention in Libya increasing

'British American and Russian troops in Libya' | MENAFN.COM




So, you can all make of this what you wish...
For me, whether the "invasion" is going forward or not, or whatever might be planned, or not planned, cruising near Libya would not be my recommendation, for the near future!
But, that's been a no-brainer for the past few years....so not sure if this recent news makes a difference to anyone's cruising plans...
(now if you wish to discuss int'l politics.....you're on your own!)


Fair winds..

John

John. Well done and good research. I would also like to add that the German Foreign Minister is making statements regarding a German military involvement in Libya reported by Reuters.

German defense minister raises prospect of Libya mission | Reuters

By the way many plans are developed by the Nato and the Joint Chiefs of Staff and many are taken right up to pulling the trigger. But then comes politics and this is an ever changing and fluid situation.

I agree with you totally that extreme caution needs to be had in this region and do not forget its proximity to Italy.

Also I have not interest in going into the international politics of it all. But it is a shame that the world is so volatile in what used to be an otherwise relative safe area of the Mediterranean.


Regards,
Chaya

[tropicalescape]

Thanks Jmczzz for risking your life for a "free world"...Has anyone noticed that the up and coming election for President in the USA is shaping up to look more and more like the battle for a "socialist verses capitalist America"...The way of life that I have grown up in the past 50 yrs. seems to be on trial especially if Mr. Sanders (socialist)and Mr .Trump(capitalist) get nominated...Now that is something to think about..Think I would like to go sailing now..

[ZULU40]

Originally Posted by Bulawayo

Is there confirmation of this? Just the mention of "1000 SAS' casts doubt over the credibility.
It wasnt long ago that the SAS announced the trebling of its manpower from 500 troops to 1500. However, its does take a while to train and then to deploy such concentrations in one sphere............hmmmmmm.

there are 3 Regiments each consisting of five squadrons, further divided into 4 troops of 16 men each plus a command unit. It is usually for 1 regiment to be on operational status, another on standby and the last in reserve. All are in permanent and intensive training.

There is a project up to increase the size of the SAS to around 4x, and they can lean on Australian and New Zealand SASR/SAS Regiments when required. Rotations between the forces are relatively common and some become permanent.

Australia SASR strength is about 700 but the skilling is different being more rounded, more organised for soldiering. For example Australians dont have specialist Air Troop or Boat squadrons, although they do have a specialist signals unit.

It takes 7 years to train a fully competent SAS soldier, but they can be and usually are operational after 1 year.

[John Casey]

Still nothing of substance in the main-stream media.

Just found this: Joint Chiefs Chairman: US Looking to Attack ISIS in Libya -- News from Antiwar.com

Enough reason to stay away from the area even without this potential in my opinion.

Regardless of what occurs surrounding these stories (or not), let's hope they do what is required for all concerned.

We broke Libya and it needs to be fixed.

[Dave22q]

Nice scenario. Too bad it lacks any credibility and why is this posted on a cruising site. Are the editors sleeping?

[John Casey]

Definitely got OT, but a valid original point as a very risky sailing/cruising area notwithstanding these reports.

[mikemenza]

Terrorists indeed, supporting the Western Powers that destroyed Libya allowing Extremists to take control, destroyed Iraq allowing extremists to rule half the country, destroyed Syria, allowing.. supporting the rise of ISIL.. deaths of millions, multi millions displaced.. for politics and greed.. Terrorists seem to be the people we vote for...

[TheThunderbird]

I do not appreciate derogative irony, mostly so on those matters.

On the other end, any released information should be given with ITS SOURCE
THAT said, so few cruise these days, and on those waters

PS I had the pleasure to add someone to the "ignore list"

PPS just like good sailors, the Army has ready made plans and contingency options for any scenario.
I think the post was just describing one of these....

[tropicalescape]

Originally Posted by Dave22q

Nice scenario. Too bad it lacks any credibility and why is this posted on a cruising site. Are the editors sleeping?

Thats right it is and was stated in 2011 as a "scenario"(ie. used to defer liability) by a mis-information propaganda rag ..Thats why it is so far out in right field when dealing with relevant issues concerning cruisers in the area..Since this was written Russia has invaded Ukraine,shot down a jet liner,had sanctions imposed etc. Even as propaganda it is very ,very dated..Note the use of the term "ISIS" that in itself is a very dated word...

[reed1v]

Is it just me, or has this web site become surreal and baffling in its posts? Seems all the boards are going over the edge of reality into the sewers of despair.

[Lizzy Belle]

Or, a solution for members who don't want to read posts that add no value and/or are posted by members violating the forum rules. You may want to read up on the "Be Courteous" part.