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SvenG · 21-12-2013, 02:35

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Originally Posted by TodoVelaMexico

Here's an update from Lectronic Latitude that one could say properly describes the situation.

Latitude 38 - 'Lectronic Latitude

Crud ! Let's hope they take next week off.

-Sven

Celestialsailor · 21-12-2013, 09:05

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Originally Posted by TodoVelaMexico

Here's an update from Lectronic Latitude that one could say properly describes the situation.

Latitude 38 - 'Lectronic Latitude

I find Latitude 38s new view on the situation comical. It went from "don't worry about it" to a heightened panic after getting their boat impounded.
For myself, I'm a little concerned because my boat is a pre hull number vessel. Hull numbers were required by manufacturers to have hull numbers engraved or molded on the transom. I doubt AGACE knows this. I'll just have to see what happens.

Randyonr3 · 21-12-2013, 09:22

sorry to say this but I'm glad to be headed west in the spring instead of south..
See Ya in The Islands...............

SvenG · 21-12-2013, 09:23

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Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

I find Latitude 38s new view on the situation comical. It went from "don't worry about it" to a heightened panic after getting their boat impounded.
For myself, I'm a little concerned because my boat is a pre hull number vessel. Hull numbers were required by manufacturers to have hull numbers engraved or molded on the transom. I doubt AGACE knows this. I'll just have to see what happens.

Point of clarification from the net discussion we had this AM in La Paz. The boats aren't really impounded, just told they can not leave. Still a royal pain if it happens to you.

We were also told that the documentation number should be used if you don't have a stamped VIN. Of course, you have to have the doc # carved into a structural member as specified in the US vessel documentation rules, if you are US documented.

-Sven

Celestialsailor · 21-12-2013, 09:26

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Originally Posted by Randyonr3

sorry to say this but I'm glad to be headed west in the spring instead of south..
See Ya in The Islands...............

Randy...Haven't you heard?...French Polynesia has been secretly monitoring this forum and selected key bad elements from all your past posts and are waiting for you to dock. Since you own a Beneteau, they are going to impound your boat as returning French property and you will be taxed accordingly.
Trust me on this...I heard it on another forum in another thread based on 100% fact...

Celestialsailor · 21-12-2013, 09:48

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Originally Posted by SvenG

Point of clarification from the net discussion we had this AM in La Paz. The boats aren't really impounded, just told they can not leave. Still a royal pain if it happens to you.

We were also told that the documentation number should be used if you don't have a stamped VIN. Of course, you have to have the doc # carved into a structural member as specified in the US vessel documentation rules, if you are US documented.

-Sven

Yup...That's what I'm hoping. I have a carved teak plaque in the boat. When we're raided, we'll see what happens. To me...they should check out the boats that have anchored for eons in the Ensenada here in La Paz. Judging from the layers of bird crap on their deck, they haven't seen an owner for years. Let alone any updated documentation.

SV THIRD DAY · 21-12-2013, 09:52

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Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

To me...they should check out the boats that have anchored for eons in the Ensenada here in La Paz. Judging from the layers of bird crap on their deck, they haven't seen an owner for years. Let alone any updated documentation.

Amen Amen...some of those boats are the same ones we first saw there on our first trip to La Paz back in 2007...

And lets not even get started in talking about all the illegal moorings being dropped in La Paz and the Puerto Escondido "Waiting to Sink Room"....

now there is something for the authorities to really crack down on....

Celestialsailor · 21-12-2013, 10:02

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Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

Amen Amen...some of those boats are the same ones we first saw there on our first trip to La Paz back in 2007...

And lets not even get started in talking about all the illegal moorings being dropped in La Paz and the Puerto Escondido "Waiting to Sink Room"....

now there is something for the authorities to really crack down on....

Ya...I love how the right of entitlement rule applies. If you want to hoard a spot in an anchorage and take off for an undefined amount of time, merely drop a weight over the side with a crappy fender on it and it's saved for you upon your return if they ever do.
I think a reason why AGACE would never hassle anchor outs is because there is no place to impound the boats to! I would estimate 20% out of compliance.

SV THIRD DAY · 21-12-2013, 10:07

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Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

I think a reason why AGACE would never hassle anchor outs is because there is no place to impound the boats to! I would estimate 20% out of compliance.

After 4yrs of anchoring out exclusively around the anchorages in Mexcio....I'd say closer to 50-60% noncompliance.

cbp · 21-12-2013, 11:14

It is real, our boat also is impounded in Ensenada although everything is in perfect order. Very scary to be the subject of such a high-handed action by a government entity. If and when we get our boat back, we are canceling all future plans to cruise, or even visit, Mexico - EVER.

Latitude 38 just posted a news story on this situation yesterday - here's the link:

Latitude 38 - 'Lectronic Latitude

Tayana42 · 21-12-2013, 11:22

We have spent years been getting ready for our first extended cruise to Mexico. Getting our boat, our lives, etc. ready is a Herculean effort. We applied for Residente Temporal to stay for a year and intend to do everything Mexico requires of us as correctly and completely as we can. We were just about to leave from SoCal a week from now. But, based on what has been happening to cruising boats there, we just decided not to enter Mexico until this is resolved. I understand Mexico has the right to enforce its laws about importation and that every country has its Bureaucracy, but we will not take the chance of getting caught up in this. We will spend our time, weeks or months, cruising from San Diego to Santa Barbara, Catalina, Channel Islands, etc instead. A missed opportunity for us and a lot of USD spent here rather than in Mexico. I hope Mexico can get this straightened out quickly and all of the boats involved will be released soon. These kinds of problems between friendly neighbors do no good on either side of the boarder.

cbp · 21-12-2013, 11:36

We have our TIP and all other paperwork absolutely correct. That is what makes this so scary - that boats that followed the rules are still impounded, and that even after presenting evidence to that effect
we are still not released.