USCG claws back rescue costs

[Pete7]

Originally Posted by newhaul

No jail time for the crime and house arrest / ankle monitor allowing him to go to work to pay /till fine is paid. Sounds good to me.

Aren't you guys about to build a rather long wall in a rather hot desert environment? In order to protect the environment wouldn't it be a good idea just to use picks and shovels rather than polluting machinery?

Pete

[Island Time O25]

Originally Posted by Pete7

Aren't you guys about to build a rather long wall in a rather hot desert environment? In order to protect the environment wouldn't it be a good idea just to use picks and shovels rather than polluting machinery?

Pete

It will come down to which lobby is mightier - the penitentiary or the machine building one.

[a64pilot]

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on a wall myself, Actually I believe there is and has been a wall there for quite some time.
I have forgotten the name of the operation, but I participated in observing the Southern border years ago with Apache helicopters. We shut down the border where we were.

OK, I remember now, it was JTF 6 or joint task force 6

[Island Time O25]

Originally Posted by a64pilot

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on a wall myself, Actually I believe there is and has been a wall there for quite some time.
I have forgotten the name of the operation, but I participated in observing the Southern border years ago with Apache helicopters. We shut down the border where we were.

OK, I remember now, it was JTF 6 or joint task force 6

Must've been years ago because by the time of the Reagan amnesty of 1986 we had no more than 2-3 mil illegals total countrywide. While at the height of pre-recession economy of 2000s we were getting about 5,000 illegal crossing per day, i.e. 1.5mil+(!) per year. So much for the shut border.

[a64pilot]

Originally Posted by Island Time O25

Must've been years ago because by the time of the Reagan amnesty of 1986 we had no more than 2-3 mil illegals total countrywide. While at the height of pre-recession economy of 2000s we were getting about 5,000 illegal crossing per day, i.e. 1.5mil+(!) per year. So much for the shut border.

Here
https://sofrep.com/52159/tf121-the-most/

We were not trying to catch some poor guy looking for work, in fact that is easy to do as he doesn't have any intelligence organisation and all telling him where to go and when etc. We were trying to interdict drug trafficking, which I believe we were successful in.
My personal belief is that there is too much money made by the CBP by there being an illegal immigration problem and they gets lots of promotions, money and attention, that they would not if they closed the border. Which is not really all that hard to do.
It wasn't really a waste of tax payers money either as it was good training, I was Air Cavalry and one very import mission of the Cav is the screen, and securing the border was actually a screen mission.

[JPA Cate]

Maybe that he have to raise $1,000,000 for a fund for the families of rescuers who die in the line of duty?

A.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by liveaboard60

LOL.. Good one.. I never heard that one.. But wouldn't they search your boat where it sits?? I know we would back in the mid 70's when I was a "Coastie" out in San Francisco..

Back then there was a fuel crisis and boat captains would get just enough fuel to do their fishing, and then call the CG, reporting "engine" problems, and requesting a tow back to port..

The CG quickly figured out what was going on and set the policy if you reported engine trouble, we would board and if the problem was only a shortage of fuel, you would be fined.. Of course since we were already on the boat, we'd give it a safety inspection - of course nothing would be overlooked or let off with just a warning.. So any violations found would just add to the already hefty fine.. Needless to say, the practice came to an abrupt halt..

flk k

No.. the French are funny like that..
I got stopped about 10miles of the French coast when I was bringing a Garcia 45 from Marseilles in the Med round to Chatham in the UK.
We'd come through the Ushant Channel and were heading on a course for the Isle of Wight when a Customs Cutter hailed us and told us to alter course for L'Aber Vac'h.
We were escorted in and once alongside 8 customs officers boarded and went through the boat.. we had to sit on the pontoon for 5hrs while they searched.
Got hungry halfway through so I asked if we could go get a bite.. "Only 1 person can go to buy sandwiches.." was the reply.. so I was escorted to the shop and back by a customs official, the crew had to stay by the boat.
Stayed there that night and the next..
They can be a pain in the ass in France..

[Island Time O25]

Originally Posted by a64pilot

Here
https://sofrep.com/52159/tf121-the-most/

We were not trying to catch some poor guy looking for work, in fact that is easy to do as he doesn't have any intelligence organisation and all telling him where to go and when etc. We were trying to interdict drug trafficking, which I believe we were successful in.
My personal belief is that there is too much money made by the CBP by there being an illegal immigration problem and they gets lots of promotions, money and attention, that they would not if they closed the border. Which is not really all that hard to do.
It wasn't really a waste of tax payers money either as it was good training, I was Air Cavalry and one very import mission of the Cav is the screen, and securing the border was actually a screen mission.

The problem with this approach is how do you know if the guy is "just some poor guy looking for work" or a poor guy looking for work who just got hired to be a drug mule as well? The hoards of illegals in the past 30 years have made 3rd World-ization of US jobs market possible. Which is how they displaced qualified native tradesmen and made the few such tradesmen left much more expensive while the many who can't afford them are forced to use the "Home Depot parking lot staffing agency" instead. It used to be that even adjusted for inflation you could get your car/boat/house fixed at $20-40/hr rate. Now it's either $10-15/hr by the illegals or $90-100+/hr and more at the yard/car dealership/contractor, etc. As with most other middle class things in this country there is no "middle" any more.

[JPA Cate]

Originally Posted by Teknishn

Hmmm....punishment to fit the crime. How about public service? (Wait, don't laugh just yet). Give the guy a pager (yeah, a pager....really) as opposed to an ankle bracelet and every time a rescue-at-sea call is received by the Coast Guard he has to report to the local Coast Guard station in his area and either assisting on the flight line (no-flying allowed of course), standby and listen to the comms during the search and rescue for a few hours, and then spend some time washing a dirty boat or swabbing decks onboard a CG vessel for 6-months (or some other period of time). Heck, even make them wear pink coveralls or something (they would have to pay for them as well...no cost to the CG).

Thinking an inconvenient way to educate someone about what the CG actually does and the associated risks that those men and women take everyday. That, and it would be particularly embarrassing to have to tell one's employer that they are "on call" as ordered by a court, and why. May result in loss of pay which is another incentive not to do something like this.

I like the concept above. If the perp was a normal guy who was freaked out that's one thing, he would learn and possibly develop some empathy.

It was the sort of thing i was getting at in my post, that he have to collect donations for the families of rescuers who'd died in the line of duty.

The concept of having to make amends before regaining freedom (the absence of the GPS anklet) seems sound.

Ann

[capngeo]

Cut off his left hand?

[Sea Dreaming]

Originally Posted by bletso

Perhaps but consider while in jail, no restitution can be made and the cost of incarceration is very high. Just have them make restitution with interest. Even then he may never get it all paid back. To maintain control how about a GPS tracker and parole type check-ins.

Garnishing his wages for payback might be punishment enough. Imagine every paycheck seeing the evidence of your own foolishness staring at you. For anyone with a conscious it would be repeat humiliation. It might be tempting b to think he would drop out of sight, but the hassle and costs of that would make it very difficult. If he gets a job with pay under the table, he is still running from himself and he has to constantly remind himself why. Retribution by stress.

[Sea Dreaming]

Originally Posted by Teknishn

Hmmm....punishment to fit the crime. How about public service? (Wait, don't laugh just yet). Give the guy a pager (yeah, a pager....really) as opposed to an ankle bracelet and every time a rescue-at-sea call is received by the Coast Guard he has to report to the local Coast Guard station in his area and either assisting on the flight line (no-flying allowed of course), standby and listen to the comms during the search and rescue for a few hours, and then spend some time washing a dirty boat or swabbing decks onboard a CG vessel for 6-months (or some other period of time). Heck, even make them wear pink coveralls or something (they would have to pay for them as well...no cost to the CG).

Thinking an inconvenient way to educate someone about what the CG actually does and the associated risks that those men and women take everyday. That, and it would be particularly embarrassing to have to tell one's employer that they are "on call" as ordered by a court, and why. May result in loss of pay which is another incentive not to do something like this.

yup, great idea!

[barnakiel]

Abuse of the 'free' services always pisses me off. Also by stupid people who sail out not prepared, at the wrong moments and in poorly prepared, unfit, boats.

I am glad the authorities claw back from such people. Ill use and stupidity should be punished even though it cannot be avoided.

b.

[MarkSF]

Originally Posted by Island Time O25

Well, my proposed solution would be an eye for an eye so to speak. When and why did we as society waiver from that pretty straight definition of "punishment which fits the crime"? He put the lives of the rescuers in danger so putting his life in danger of similar nature would be the very case of punishment fitting the crime. IMO putting him in jail would not be "fitting the crime" (too harsh if no rescuers lost life or limb) nor letting him off with just a fine he could afford (too lenient and too forgiving). At some point we need to get creative with a**holes like that and teach them valuable life lessons.

"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" - M K Ghandi.