Woman on "learn to sail vacation" raped. St Lucia seriously needs a wake-up call.

[Sailing Susan]

wesevans, re-read your post. Such a Neanderthal male response.


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[SV DestinyAscen]

Rather appalled at the victim shaming and also racism expressed all in one go. Rape occurs states too. Horrible.

[first wind]

Originally Posted by Dulcesuenos

Have heard of nothing but bad events to those traveling to St Lucia and now this.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/145653...rom-tour-firm/



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well, a free massage and manicure should certainly be fitting compensation for being raped. i mean seriously, rape is such a little thing.

are they crazy? and with such a bad rape history in the area, how could the company be so recklessly careless with the safety of their customers?

i hope she wins her cases.

this just goes to prove that, when your safety is on the line, you can't trust others to be responsible for it. you need to always be vigilant and always research any area you plan to visit.

that's just utterly horrible...and they are going to somehow dispute her claim against them! she was raped while under their care. what's to dispute? their response to this situation should be a red flag for any woman thinking about using their services.

[first wind]

Originally Posted by Dulcesuenos

I think there is alot more bad in the story than just that.

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[first wind]

Originally Posted by zeehag

women only stuff is a trendy thing. this is also a cause for higher rates and higher risk.
buyer beware. always.
this is not a safe planet--there is always something.
the arrogance of offering a massage to counter a raping is not a reasonable response.
HOWEVER, it is as it is.
buyer beware and take care not to place self into positions of risk higher than you are prepared to accept. is like gambling more than you can afford to lose, only using your body and life to come as the betting medium.
wtf.
i did the risk thing and found myself returning home on other folks dimes as the situation became a lil off...
when something is uncomfortable for any reason, do not go there--escape. always have an escape plan. (usually known as plan c or d)

good advice but, i think that, in this situation, she had no real idea anything was off until it was totally fubar.

[Dr. Sea]

Originally Posted by wesevans

Women need to be aware that many Island boys are used to women in vacation mode who are looking for an exotic experience and they do not take no for an answer. If you you are not looking for that experience do not let your self be alone with the home boy or in a place where you might expect to have a problem. Do not get drunk or stoned. pay attention to your surroundings. You are a tourist do not expect that the local police will do much about your situation. Be smart, alert and always practice situation awareness.

What a disgusting attitude! Or maybe your sexist way of thinking blinds you to the point that you can't read. This woman did not "let herself be alone with a home boy." She wasn't drunk or stoned. She was asleep in her own room when she was viciously attacked. Wes Evans, you should be ashamed of having your name associated with such a repugnant post.

[TheThunderbird]

The tour operator Also owns the villa. This is a double, objective responsibility, for negligence.
Not having been given foom keys is the most appalling, leaving the poor guest at anyone's mercy.

It is more than clear that similar places are easy targets, with a minimum of local intelligence...

My comments are made irrespective of sex!! People are usually going on gated communities, in some "fancy" locations where crime is endogenous.
When not, people should be not alone, or trust the tour operator

Now, how was the security issue advised by mgmt, and addressed by client???

Sorry to say that, but I would not accept living into an open-door environment, abroad, with documents...

Was villa just a detached house!? Or a gated villa? (As a villa usually is, btw)

That said, the more we speak of these issues, the better
My full grievances for the misfortunate person, a true victim in bona-fide

[first wind]

Originally Posted by pickpaul

You should google mansplain. This is a classic example.

you mean this, from urban dictionary?

"mansplain
Stating verifiable facts that are inconvenient to the feminist worldview.
Feminists: Women only make 77% of what men make for exactly the same work! Oh the patriarchy.

Factual Person: No, they don't. that statistic is just for overall median pay of full time workers, and does not account for overtime hours worked, location, experience, degree earned, or even the field someone is working in. Women make less on average because men and women make different career choices, because believe it or not, men and women are different.

Feminist: Don't you mansplain to me! Facts and logic are just oppressive constructs to keep women down!"

gotta love urban dictionary

[first wind]

Originally Posted by wesevans

Women need to be aware that many Island boys are used to women in vacation mode who are looking for an exotic experience and they do not take no for an answer. If you you are not looking for that experience do not let your self be alone with the home boy or in a place where you might expect to have a problem. Do not get drunk or stoned. pay attention to your surroundings. You are a tourist do not expect that the local police will do much about your situation. Be smart, alert and always practice situation awareness.

while i agree, that's not really the situation here unless by ' If you you are not looking for that experience do not let your self be alone with the home boy or in a place where you might expect to have a problem." you mean going to sleep in yoour assigned bedroom secure in the expectation of a safe environment.

[first wind]

Originally Posted by TheThunderbird

The tour operator Also owns the villa. This is a double, objective responsibility, for negligence.
Not having been given foom keys is the most appalling, leaving the poor guest at anyone's mercy.

It is more than clear that similar places are easy targets, with a minimum of local intelligence...

My comments are made irrespective of sex!! People are usually going on gated communities, in some "fancy" locations where crime is endogenous.
When not, people should be not alone, or trust the tour operator

Now, how was the security issue advised by mgmt, and addressed by client???

Sorry to say that, but I would not accept living into an open-door environment, abroad, with documents...

Was villa just a detached house!? Or a gated villa? (As a villa usually is, btw)

That said, the more we speak of these issues, the better
My full grievances for the misfortunate person, a true victim in bona-fide

she did; much to her chagrin. that's the reason for her outrage.

[first wind]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sea

What a disgusting attitude! Or maybe your sexist way of thinking blinds you to the point that you can't read. This woman did not "let herself be alone with a home boy." She wasn't drunk or stoned. She was asleep in her own room when she was viciously attacked. Wes Evans, you should be ashamed of having your name associated with such a repugnant post.

not a disgusting attitude at all, really. nothing sexist at all about thinking a person should take responsibility for their own safety and act with some common sense. it's very rational and practical, actually. also, very inapplicable to the situation. what is disgusting is, as you note in your post, the rather poor reading comprehension indicated. the school systems just aren'y what they used to be.

[weavis]

Can we move away from argumentation please.

[pickpaul]

Originally Posted by first wind

you mean this, from urban dictionary?

No, try this link instead...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansplaining

if you have any genuine interest in why your post was offensive.

[pickpaul]

Originally Posted by first wind

not a disgusting attitude at all, really. nothing sexist at all about thinking a person should take responsibility for their own safety and act with some common sense. it's very rational and practical, actually. also, very inapplicable to the situation. what is disgusting is, as you note in your post, the rather poor reading comprehension indicated. the school systems just aren'y what they used to be.

Classic victim blaming.

[zeehag]

old school systems are not for good of all involved. old school systems are fail.
old school systems are sexist and degrading. old school systems will take forever to repair and modify, but there is no excuse for someone being assaulted in mid of night while in an allegedly safe bed.
no privacy means no safety.
it all comes back to the fail in the system that promised safety to the ladies in the program. there is no excuse for it, nor is there an excuse for the attitude from the tour company and alleged villa.
it SOUNDS like a pleasant vacation but it spells trouble.
inability to control ones own door lock is unacceptable in any day or age.