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sabray · 13-12-2009, 20:35

How often have you seen day shapes. 30 years of sailing and I recall seeing them twice. By not showing them I'm obligated. Yeah I keep our of the way. Maybe we should all be flying day shapes but what I see that isn't happening and it's not causing navigational hazards. Obsolete not used rarely done not looked for no one uses them not a problem. Glad your flying yours I'll stand clear.

alaska pirate · 13-12-2009, 20:41

So what other rules of the road are you not following because you haven't observed them being followed by others in your 30 years of sailing and therefore deem them obsolete?

sabray · 13-12-2009, 20:58

Forgive me my sins. I use prudence that's why I have radar ais ssb gps yaddah dah I don't however fly day shapes. No one is. I'm not seeing small pleasure vessels using day shapes. I'm not flagrantly being disobedient it's a practice that isn't used by most. The result isn't causing big issues . You go play by the book and I'll sail on. If by some chance you careen into the side of me while looking for day shapes wl get to watch the insurance companies and lawyers shake it out. What ever how many other regulations do I not observe? Are you trying to be antagonistic? Go sailing if you eNt to fly balls off your spreaders go to it.

bvimatelot · 13-12-2009, 21:18

You will get fined if you are motor-sailing in French waters and not displaying a motoring cone. You will also get a stiff talking to if you do not display an anchor ball when anchored during daylight hours (half an hour before sunrise till half an hour after sunset) or if your courtesy ensign is tatty or too small.

**Jim Cate** · 13-12-2009, 22:40

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Originally Posted by bvimatelot

You will get fined if you are motor-sailing in French waters and not displaying a motoring cone. You will also get a stiff talking to if you do not display an anchor ball when anchored during daylight hours (half an hour before sunrise till half an hour after sunset) or if your courtesy ensign is tatty or too small.

Depends on which French waters you are talking about! In New Caledonia, a French territory, I have yet to see any observation of the motor/sailing shape rule. That's as in NEVER. The only folks who seem to use anchoring balls (a much more reasonable rule IMO) are a few visiting yachts, mostly European or British, and mostly those with professional crew who presumably have their tickets and jobs at stake.

And in our many years of cruising and before that the many years of weekend sailing in the San Francisco Bay, we again have not seen the cone displayed by motor-sailing yachts. While I agree that this mass disobeyance of the rule does not make it good practice, one must question the continuance of the rule by the relevant authorities. The observed fact is that despite the flagrant disrespect for the rule, even in the crowded waters of SFB there don't seem to be many collisions which could be blamed on the lack of the cone. My guess is that the general lack of knowledge which the boating public displays far outwieghs this relatively minor point!

Looking at it practically, the idea of having to rush up to the flag halyard, hook up the cone, hoist it and belay it each and every time the average weekender turns on the motor, and of course, reversing this each time it is turned off, well, I reckon that they would be better off spending the time keeping a good lookout!

Cheers,

Jim and Ann s/v Insatiable II lying Burnett River Qld Oz

cal40john · 13-12-2009, 23:03

The reason you see so few motorsailing day shapes is that the vast majority of rec boats are under 12 meters. Vessels under 12 meters may carry the day shape but are not required. I still don't see vessels over 12 meters using them though.

Cal 40 length 39' 4", 1 cm shy of 12 meters.

John

**nigel1** · 14-12-2009, 02:03

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Originally Posted by Connemara

28. Sigh.

and that damn' powerboat is towing something?

Connemara

I'd take issue with that question. Neither the tug nor the tow appear to be displaying towing signals, and the tug does not appear to be displaying restricted signals. Just the fact that a boat is towing does not make her privalaged, unless the tow serverely restricts the towing vessel.

When I tow a barge, I consider the tug and tow a power driven vessel, if towing a semi sub rig which is ballasted down to 70 feet, its blowing force fair to frightening, and the water depth is limited with regards to the tow wire, then its tine for the ball diamond ball and red white red

**sneuman** · 14-12-2009, 05:50

I passed, but I am a little embarrassed by what I missed.

zydecotoad · 14-12-2009, 10:39

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Originally Posted by nigel1

I'd take issue with that question. Neither the tug nor the tow appear to be displaying towing signals, and the tug does not appear to be displaying restricted signals. Just the fact that a boat is towing does not make her privalaged, unless the tow serverely restricts the towing vessel.

The picture seemed pretty poor to try and pic up those signals.

What bothered me about that question, was I wanted to answer, "change course to pass astern of the tow". But that wasn't an option.

**sandy daugherty** · 14-12-2009, 10:57

I teach this stuff, but I didn't ace it. Its not whether or not we use day shapes, its a test of [obscure] knowlege.

barnakiel · 14-12-2009, 17:09

1. A knot commonly used to tie a rode to an anchor is a :
Sheet Bend.
Rolling Hitch.
Taut Line Hitch.
Fisherman's Bend.

Well, in my boat it is called a shackle...

b.

Firehoser75 · 14-12-2009, 17:36

Yes Barnakiel, but if you were to tie or lash the anchor to the "rope" rode, I know you would use a Fisherman's bend also known as the anchor bend.

More to the point though is why someone would really want to do this? (No chain).

Tom

xxuxx · 14-12-2009, 18:46

Hoooooo-ray for me I passed. Of couse I knew I would. Being a USCG Captain w STCW and towing and Sailing endorsements. I mean: How great am I? You may all refer to me as "Greats XXUXXs" Pronouced zooks.

Ask me anything....words of wisdom shall flow from my lips.

Ram · 14-12-2009, 19:02

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Originally Posted by xxuxx

Hoooooo-ray for me I passed. Of couse I knew I would. Being a USCG Captain w STCW and towing and Sailing endorsements. I mean: How great am I? You may all refer to me as "Greats XXUXXs" Pronouced zooks.

Ask me anything....words of wisdom shall flow from my lips.

what did you score o great one?