Do all toilets require holding tanks.

[Lodesman]

All of you should probably have a look at this circular: https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/lnms...Indefinite.pdf

Check para 2(b) - the important bit:

Direct discharge toilets are illegal unless the vessel is operating under a waiver granted by Commandant, Domestic Vessel Division (CG-CVC-1), 2703 Martin Luther King Jr. Ave. SE, Washington, DC 20593-7501. T

[Lodesman]

Originally Posted by newhaul

a totally different question is there a reason for asking this question or just to elicit a response that differs from what you want to hear for the purpose of instigating a less than respectful discord.

I might ask the same about your first post directed at me?

[Lodesman]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Aside from the fact the EPA has little to do with it its all about the USCG and MAROPL.

As an expert in sewage, you should be aware that the US is not a signatory to MARPOL Annex IV, but obviously concerned where US-flagged vessels will be operated in countries that are. The EPA penned the Clean Water Act, through which the USCG was given the mandate for regulation and enforcement.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Lodesman

All of you should probably have a look at this circular: https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/lnms...Indefinite.pdf

Check para 2(b) - the important bit:

perhaps you should really read what you post .
The afore mentioned is only applicable within the designated 3 mile limit of the united states costaI waters ( more distance in some areas .)
judging by your quoting the USCG 11th district
And that is not a circular it is an LNM.

[belizesailor]

Originally Posted by Lodesman

If you plan to flag the vessel as US, then it doesn't seem ambiguous:



US law applies to US vessels everywhere, not just in the US.
Why not plumb this head to the remaining holding tank?

Err...no. The USA potty police dont have any authority outside the USA...only the regulations of that venue are relevant. There are hundreds of USA flagged vessels throughout the Caribbean without USA compliant sanitation systems.

[newhaul]

Looks like the app's question was answered a long time ago and reading follow ups by him it doesn't apply to the US regulations so I feel his question has been well answered .

[Lodesman]

Originally Posted by belizesailor

Err...no. The USA potty police dont have any authority outside the USA...only the regulations of that venue are relevant. There are hundreds of USA flagged vessels throughout the Caribbean without USA compliant sanitation systems.

Don't suppose you've ever seen a USCG vessel in the Caribbean?

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Lodesman

The OP specifically asked about what would be required in US waters.

A LMN (or SLMN in this case) is a circular.
You seem hell-bent on picking a nit with me. What is your deal?

I am not being anything if not respectful in answering the legitimate questions in reference the op you on the other hand seem to have been nothing but nit picking everyone's posting and the USCG does not even attempt to enforce us sewage regulations beyond US near coastal waters .

[Lodesman]

Originally Posted by belizesailor

Err...no. The USA potty police dont have any authority outside the USA...only the regulations of that venue are relevant. There are hundreds of USA flagged vessels throughout the Caribbean without USA compliant sanitation systems.

I'm going to return to this document: https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/lnms...Indefinite.pdf
From Chapter X:

COAST GUARD LAW ENFORCEMENT

One of the Coast Guard's primary missions is maritime law enforcement on the high seas and waters subject to federal statute. These statutes cover the broad range of Coast Guard authorities, including, but not limited to, drug smuggling, illegal immigration, safety, water pollution and fisheries. To enforce these laws, the Coast Guard is empowered to board and inspect any and all vessels within U.S. waters. These boardings are usually conducted while vessels are underway, which has proven to be the most effective method to insure compliance with federal regulations.

BOARDINGS BY THE COAST GUARD

Boardings are not necessarily based on suspicion that a violation has occurred or exists on board. Their purpose is to prevent and suppress violations. All Coast Guard officers and petty officers are federal law enforcement officers and may board any U.S. vessel anywhere and at anytime; so do not be alarmed if boarded at night or unexpectedly.

I will say it again that US vessels are subject to US laws everywhere. In the territorial waters of another nation, they are subject to that nation's laws, as well as US laws, insofar that the US law does not contradict the local law. Obviously, enforcement is somewhat lacking, but that does not change what is legal or not.

[belizesailor]

Originally Posted by Kenomac

Again a reading comprehension issue... as very clearly written within your own quoted document you missed the part “within US waters.” ‘Nuff said.

Lodesman, the USCG may indeed board any US flagged vessel in International waters, but in order to board in territorial waters of another nation they must first have permission to be there. Most of their activities outside of US waters are drug intediction and other security issues...not being potty police.

Ive been boarded/approached by USCG a few times outside of USA waters...MSD inspection was not part of the drill. I seriously doubt their authority to enforce USA sanitation regulations outside of USA waters...anybody know of such a enforcement action?

[peghall]

I seriously doubt their authority to enforce USA sanitation regulations outside of USA waters...anybody know of such a enforcement action?


Insofar as recreational vessels are concerned, US marine sanitation laws only apply to inland waters and coastal waters within 3 miles of the nearest point on the entire US coastline or any island that's part of any state (i.e. Catalina, Nantucket, the San Juans).



--Peggie

[belizesailor]

Originally Posted by Lodesman

Don't suppose you've ever seen a USCG vessel in the Caribbean?

Yes, many times.

[belizesailor]

Originally Posted by peghall

I seriously doubt their authority to enforce USA sanitation regulations outside of USA waters...anybody know of such a enforcement action?


Insofar as recreational vessels are concerned, US marine sanitation laws only apply to inland waters and coastal waters within 3 miles of the nearest point on the entire US coastline or any island that's part of any state (i.e. Catalina, Nantucket, the San Juans).



--Peggie

Yes, now that you mention it, thats exacly how they are written of course.

So Lodesman, given that these laws are written in the context of being relative to USA boundaries (inland, 3 mile limit, 12 mile limit). What aspect of USA santitation regulations do you believe the USCG enforces in waters totally unrleated to these legal boundaries?

[Lodesman]

Originally Posted by belizesailor

Lodesman, the USCG may indeed board any US flagged vessel in International waters, but in order to board in territorial waters of another nation they must first have permission to be there. Most of their activities outside of US waters are drug intediction and other security issues...not being potty police.

Ive been boarded/approached by USCG a few times outside of USA waters...MSD inspection was not part of the drill. I seriously doubt their authority to enforce USA sanitation regulations outside of USA waters...anybody know of such a enforcement action?

A lack of enforcement does not equal legality. The USCG has been criticized for this, and could on a whim decide to crack down. Do you think if they saw you pumping oil over the side outside of US waters, they wouldn't do anything? Remember the USCG has agreements with some other nations, such as The Bahamas to assist with Coast Guard-type responsibilities. I'm not saying they will do something, but the law clearly gives them the ability to.

[Lodesman]

Originally Posted by belizesailor

Yes, now that you mention it, thats exacly how they are written of course.

So Lodesman, given that these laws are written in the context of being relative to USA boundaries (inland, 3 mile limit, 12 mile limit). What aspect of USA santitation regulations do you believe the USCG enforces in waters totally unrleated to these legal boundaries?

The equipment regulations - ie. must have a functioning MSD. There are also regs about removing or disabling said MSD.