Sewage Management

[peghall]

Originally Posted by tager

Bucket and chuck it.

Nope... Federal law prohibits the "discharge" ("includes, but is not limited to, any spilling, leaking, pouring, pumping, emitting, emptying, or dumping.") of sewage ("human body wastes and the wastes from toilets and other receptacles intended to receive or retain body waste")...which makes "bucket and chuck it" just as illegal as dumping a tank inside the "3 mile limit."

Btw...that also applies to dumping AirHead and Nature's Head urine jugs over the side.

[peghall]

Has anyone without a head system actually had the Marine Patrol/CG aboard?

There is no law requiring any vessel to have a toilet. 40 CFR 140.2 sayeth:

"The standard adopted herein applies only to vessels on which a marine sanitation device has been installed. The standard does not require the installation of a marine sanitation device on any vessel that is not so equipped."

So if you don't have a toilet, you don't have to have a tank or Type I or II MSD...but other parts of the CFR limit the ways in which you can dispose of your body wastes otherwise. Essentially, anything other than "direct deposit" from the lee rail or while swimming is illegal.

[peghall]

That's not QUITE true either. Any boat being used in the US is required to have either a holding tank OR a treatment device. In waters designated "no discharge" all toilet waste must be held in a tank.

Btw, Jay...the Bay is NOT an NDZ...in fact, there's only one NDZ on the whole Bay--Herring Bay in MD. The discharge of treated waste from a CG Certified Type I or II is legal everywhere else.

[Blue Crab]

Originally Posted by peghall

Essentially, anything other than "direct deposit" from the lee rail or while swimming is illegal.

I am soooooo guilty of peeing while swimming.

[Sand crab]

Originally Posted by tgzzzz

I am soooooo guilty of peeing while swimming.

Man you are going to hell. Back on topic I forgot to mention that there are also self contained sewage treatment systems for boats if you got the bucks. BOB

[peghall]

A Raritan PuraSan is under $800 at some retailers... by the time you pay for a decent sized tank, overboard discharge pump, all the related plumbing etc, you'd end up spending well over half that much...and that doesn't count the hassle of pumpouts (even where they're free, they're still a PITA) and maintaining the damn tank and vent line. For just a few hundred bucks more, you can flush it and forget it...with -0- negative impact on the environment...unlike dumping a tank.

[Hannah on 'Rita T']

Originally Posted by Capt. lulz

Now that you mention it, I'm so disgusted of poop that sailboats are out of the question now...

I'm just taking in information to help in my decision of buying a boat.

Either power boaters don't poop or Capt. Lulz has been ahving us on.

[peghall]

Originally Posted by Hannah on 'Rita T'

Either power boaters don't poop or Capt. Lulz has been ahving us on.

As both a stinkpot owner AND a non-denomational pooper scooper specialist, I can assure you that power boaters most certainly DO poop! In fact, many sailors tell us every chance they get how full of it we are!

[cantxsailor]

We(boaters) get the blame for a single turd but I just read that NY just dumped 5,000,000 gallons of untreated sewage into the Hudson. Thats about as much as ALL the boats in NY would dump if they all dumped all year. I wonder how big of a fine they will have to pay and to whom..........m

[Capt. lulz]

Originally Posted by cantxsailor

We(boaters) get the blame for a single turd but I just read that NY just dumped 5,000,000 gallons of untreated sewage into the Hudson. Thats about as much as ALL the boats in NY would dump if they all dumped all year. I wonder how big of a fine they will have to pay and to whom..........m

Whoever wrote that article is full of sh...

[sabray]

Coasts broadcast yesterday due to a fire at a treatment facility they were closing parts if the Hudson and east river to swimming. The plant was dumping raw sewage and the waters would not be safe for swimming

[sabray]

Originally Posted by sabray

Coasts broadcast yesterday due to a fire at a treatment facility they were closing parts if the Hudson and east river to swimming. The plant was dumping raw sewage and the waters would not be safe for swimming

Is the coast guard notice to mariners full of sh@@@

[tropicalescape]

So if your boat has a toliet and was built in 1974 and does not have a holding tank are you braking the law? DVC

[peghall]

Originally Posted by tropicalescape

So if your boat has a toliet and was built in 1974 and does not have a holding tank are you braking the law? DVC

Yes. Federal law enacted in 1977 required ALL boats to be equipped with tanks or, where the discharge of treated was is legal, treatment devices by Jan 1, 1980. See 40 CFR 140.3 PART 140--MARINE SANITATION DEVICE STANDARD

[Dick Pluta]

Including my dinghy? That's a serious question. 8 ft. dink? 12 foot Whaler? 15 ft runabout? How about my kayak? There has to be some lower limit.

Dick Pluta
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