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Old 24-12-2020, 19:35   #16
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Re: How many winch pawls engage? Wondering if I have the right ones.

If these are Harken winches then just call Harken on Monday and tell them what model they have and they will send out the correct pawls. That is what we did this spring when we serviced all our Harken winches
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If these are Harken winches then just call Harken on Monday and tell them what model they have and they will send out the correct pawls. That is what we did this spring when we serviced all our Harken winches
Wish it was that easy. Its a Barlow (in original post) winch with all its no-longer-in-business issues
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Wish it was that easy. Its a Barlow (in original post) winch with all its no-longer-in-business issues
It is that easy.
Arco are in business and will have the parts you require including
bases, drums, gears, pawls and self tailing conversions - even for 40 year old 3 speed winches.

BTW All my Barlows have either 3 or 4 of those plastic caged roller bearings.
You may be missing one.
If you want to cheap out put a new one each end and a used one or pair in the middle.
It will come back to bite you at next service in a remote location.
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It is that easy.
Arco are in business and will have the parts you require ......

BTW All my Barlows have either 3 or 4 of those plastic caged roller bearings.
You may be missing one.

If you want to cheap out .....
I'll contact Arco-Hutton on Mon. hopefully they will be able to confirm model and have schematic along with the parts.

This is a small winch. not sure how a 3rd roller bearing would even fit.

Don't want to cheap out. Mostly want to get it usable to use it sooner than later. wonder how long AUD>US shipping is these days. Guess I'll find out when I correspond with them.
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wonder how long AUD>US shipping is these days. Guess I'll find out when I correspond with them.
Fast & cheap freight, good service and a favourable exchange rate.
Australia is a trading nation and open for business.
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Re: How many winch pawls engage? Wondering if I have the right ones.

Andrew, do you only have one of these winches? Most installations are in pairs. If there is another, a quick comparison would help... but you likely would have thought of that!

Meanwhile the folks at Hutton are pretty knowledgeable and will help you out. I was able to get bearings for 30 year old Barients from them. Not cheap, but available. dunno what their holiday work schedule is... could be after the new year before they come back (Aussies do love their holidays!).


Back to the original question... those pawls look too long to me.

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Re: How many winch pawls engage? Wondering if I have the right ones.

We has an issue with correct pawls not being available for our mast winches, and had a machine shop mill us new recesses (for pawls which were available) in the drum at a new location 90degree from the old pawl recess.

Now our drum have 4 pawl recesses. Two old unused ones and two new ones.

Saved us from buying two new winches for a fraction of the price of new winches.

This may or may not work for you, but maybe it helps you finding a solution.
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We has an issue with correct pawls not being available for our mast winches, and had a machine shop mill us new recesses (for pawls which were available) in the drum at a new location 90degree from the old pawl recess.

Now our drum have 4 pawl recesses. Two old unused ones and two new ones.

Saved us from buying two new winches for a fraction of the price of new winches.

This may or may not work for you, but maybe it helps you finding a solution.
That is a really creative solution!

Do you remember the calculations to determine the new location?... It would be helpful and I bet it's not straight forward determining how far in to put the head.

Your solution makes me realize if the heads on mine are a good fit (they look like it) maybe I can just file off some at the ends until they sit nice..... Though I bet ordering new ones is way more efficient if they are available.

I love the good ideas coming from this discussion.
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Re: How many winch pawls engage? Wondering if I have the right ones.

I still question the original photo. Rather than just having been taken off-angle, I suspect the "pawl holder" is not centered in the winch. It just looks too odd to just be foreshortening, IMHO.
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Re: How many winch pawls engage? Wondering if I have the right ones.

Its actually how it looks. I'll add some pics from my phone after this post.

Interestingly, the top set of pawls (the ones in the handle receptacle that let you move the handle backwards) seat perfectly. Same pawls. And they look to be the same distance from center.

Notice the different cuts on the drum teeth. The different cuts would explain why the pawls seat differently. I am surprised they would design it with 2 pawls engaging for the handle mart and only one for the drum part.

I'll send a message to Arco and see what they say.
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Re: How many winch pawls engage? Wondering if I have the right ones.

Got a prompt reply from Hutton and it seems that one pawl engagement on the lower pawls is how it is designed....surprising!

"Hi Andrew

Lewmar pawls are not suitable for Barlow winches. The pawls are a different size and they are sintered metal ( powered metal) they are not very strong.

The pawls in the top socket engage together, in the base its one at a time.

Regards Allen Hutton."
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Re: How many winch pawls engage? Wondering if I have the right ones.

And while you're at it - check that the winch is positioned such that the drive cog on the drum is on the same side as the entry point of the line being tensioned. I was surprised to find that on my boat both genoa winches were 180 degrees out of line meaning no difference in performance (you won't notice the difference when the winch is in use) but the resultant force on the central bearing(s) is huge. Twice what you are exerting on the sheet in fact (as opposed to approaching zero for a correctly fitted winch). This is not good for the longevity of the winch. Problem I had though, common for most winches I understand, is that the fixing holes are... not placed in a symmetrical pattern so I had to do some filling and drilling.
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Acheck that the winch is positioned such that the drive cog on the drum is on the same side as the entry point of the line being tensioned.
Which are you considering the drive cog?

On a circular system, I can't imagine the difference.
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Which are you considering the drive cog?

On a circular system, I can't imagine the difference.
Actually, your design of winch may be quite different to the Harken winches I have. With the Harken design (at least the ones I know/have), the effort starts at the winch handle and is transmitted via the various gears to just one cog at the base of the fixed central hub of the winch. It is this cog which drives the drum. Looking at your picture again is it so that the pawls in the picture actually drive the drum?

Regardless, I wrote something about this elsewhere, https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...on-224281.html, just in case it helps someone.
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