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capt.bobfm · 29-01-2012, 06:45

I like the squaresail idea but why use two poles when one spar with one large sail would work so much better ?

Blue Stocking · 29-01-2012, 07:06

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Originally Posted by NoAgenda

I didn't realize that a simple question was to be considered a vehicle for such criticism. I'll be more careful with further posts.

Don't give up

-- they are only opinions.

I have sailed Tahiti ketch with spinnaker, and Tornado cat with spinnaker--before the class went to assymetricals.

If you are curious (and brave) enough, you can do anything you like with your boat.

Eric. · 29-01-2012, 07:23

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Originally Posted by NoAgenda

I didn't realize that a simple question was to be considered a vehicle for such criticism

It's a really good question actually. In the book Aero-Hydrodynamics of Sailing there is mention of the strong stabilizing effect of having a very small amount of sail to the windward at the mast. This was found experimentally while looking for techniques to reduce broaches while sailing downwind with a chute. Apparently this sail reduced rolling as well.

So I've been interested in trying some facsimile of this technique....

NoAgenda · 29-01-2012, 10:58

Found a picture of the shroud mounted stormsail.. actually, it almost looks like a dinghy sail. Now how to post the pic...

SkiprJohn · 29-01-2012, 11:14

NoAgenda,
Don't take it personally. Some folks are a bit abrasive while trying to be helpful. If you could provide a photo then we could do a bit better at answering questions.
I think artistic license was taken on the cover of Crealock's book. The spreaders are located very high in the photo.
I crewed on a schooner with a squaresail and we only used one boom but with two it might aid in self steering.
kind regards,

delmarrey · 29-01-2012, 11:23

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Originally Posted by NoAgenda

I didn't realize that a simple question was to be considered a vehicle for such criticism. I'll be more careful with further posts.

The criticism is more a safety notice. Occasionally we'll get some off the wall ideas from some which in some cases can be dangerous. Plus, some like to express their ideas on a design. It's not a personal attack!

So don't be offended! There's lots of good knowledge (& not so good) on here and it's up to each individual to make their own choices. One has to process the info they get and go with that. That's life!

NoAgenda · 29-01-2012, 20:37

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Ok, let's see if this pic comes through. See how the smaller sail seems to be attached to the shroud. It could be a stormsail, or maybe even a mainsail from a much smaller boat, pulled in taut and fixed.

**Adelie** · 29-01-2012, 20:41

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Ok, let's see if this pic comes through. See how the smaller sail seems to be attached to the shroud. It could be a stormsail, or maybe even a mainsail from a much smaller boat, pulled in taut and fixed.

Genoa backwinded across the shrouds is what it looks like to me.

NoAgenda · 29-01-2012, 21:31

Adelie, after closer examination, I think you're right. Thanks.

**Adelie** · 29-01-2012, 21:49

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Originally Posted by NoAgenda

Adelie, after closer examination, I think you're right. Thanks.

No problem. I can see how the photo could be seen that way at first glance.

The two things that tipped me off were the way the numbers on the genoa were curving and the fact that what should be a very small sail hanked to the shroud had a absolutely huge clew patch.

NoAgenda · 29-01-2012, 22:36

The pic is a still taken from a Viagra commercial, of all things, and only shows the sailboat for a second or two. Hard to tell that it IS a backfilled jib with such a short glimpse, but once able to closely examine it, it becomes evident. Thanks for the opinions, always fun to learn new things on here.

SaucySailoress · 29-01-2012, 23:26

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The pic is a still taken from a Viagra commercial, of all things,

Hm. It never occurred to me to trawl the viagra commercials for any reason, much less to find images of staysails in action....

ozskipper · 30-01-2012, 03:30

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Hi All
I was amused by the reply about TV and movies. I call it "Cinematic License". It reminds me of one of my favorite movies Dead Calm. Everything was fine until the scene where Nicole Kidman is sailing alone looking for her husband and we see her up on the second set of spreaders searching the horizon for him. How did she get up there,I don't remember seeing any mast steps on that boat....BOOOO...LOL..

She was married to Tom Cruise remember.. She used the sofa as a launching pad!! I thought everyone knew that :-D