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Old 19-09-2021, 17:35   #1
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Swedgeing tool

Does anyone know the name of the manufacturer that makes the tool to Swedge standing rigging?
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Old 19-09-2021, 17:57   #2
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Re: Swedgeing tool

Hi, motion30, are you asking about the electric or the manual swaging tool?

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Re: Swedgeing tool

Either and or both, can't seem to find any information online
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Re: Swedgeing tool

You need a hydraulic press with a set of tapered dies to do the job correctly. Unless you are looking to invest a few grand, at the low end, it’s the type of thing you pay a professional rigger to do.
If you are making inquiries you should use the word “swage” which is recognized in the industry.
If you are looking for a manual “crimper” you have many choices available.
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Re: Swedgeing tool

You are right about the term. I was using voice to text and that was its interpretation. Many professionals use a portable tool.
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Re: Swedgeing tool

Try spelling it swaging.
Old blacksmith tool, probably Welsh or or Nordic or something.
English is strange.
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Re: Swedgeing tool

As Orion Jim said, it's a "roller swage tool".

https://www.arcuswire.com/product/wta270-548

Manual crimpers used to be NicoPress, but there are many varieties.

https://www.nicopress.com/categories/tool-products
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Re: Swedgeing tool

The tool that I have seen in use installing terminals on sailboat lifelines and mast rigging is the Loos Manual Bench Swager.
https://loosnaples.com/product/swagi...oc-m2-type-ii/
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Re: Swedgeing tool

If you mean crimping copper sleeves on rigging wire to form eyes, the Nico Press folks have heaps of tools and supplies for the job.

https://www.nicopress.com/categories/tool-products

We've carried one since before cruising days... very handy at times.

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Try spelling it swaging.
Old blacksmith tool, probably Welsh or or Nordic or something.
English is strange.
one of the best is Wireteknik - -
& beware: the spelling police is out with their truncheons! (I for one, having had english spelling drilled into me at highschool here in the forest, resent the casual misspelling of the native speakers...)
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beware: the spelling police is out with their truncheons! (I for one, having had english spelling drilled into me at highschool here in the forest, resent the casual misspelling of the native speakers...)
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swedge is a legitimate variant of swage. The Oxford English Dictionary 2nd edition and Merriam-Webster, respectively the authorities of UK English and US English, do so declare.

Swedge was in well established use in the 19th century. 'Tis true that the usage of swedge has declined since about 1968 (the year that changed everything, according to some folk).

In general terms, swage has been more common in usage than swedge.

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Try spelling it swaging.
Old blacksmith tool, probably Welsh or or Nordic or something.
English is strange.
While we still breath and talk, English remains a living language that imports, changes, and invents new words while other words fall into disuse or the reserve of specialists. No stranger than any other living language (or any of the non-living ones).

Without writing a PhD length essay, here's my quick take (which totally avoids Wales and the Welsh, not to mention Nords and Nordic; I'll not go into the details of August W. Loos [1928-2008] who with his spouse Joan set up a business in the 3-car garage of their home in Connecticut):

Sometime before the 6th century of the Common Era, a word used by one or more of the people of Gaul (as immortalised in the comic Asterisk the Gaul) was borrowed into Latin. That word first is shown in Latin writing in the 6th century as soca tortiles, meaning laid rope, cordage that has been spun into yarn or strands and then several strands re-twisted into rope. 7th century Latin texts have the forms soga and soca, referring to a strap (used as a waist belt, for example) or laid rope.

In 14th century French we see descendants of that word: 1322 soue and seuwe, meaning cordage, laid rope, or simple twisted string. Ten years after, most interesting transfers of the word to refer to metal work: 1332 souage (still existing in Modern French as suage) referring to decorative bulges and coves in metal candlestick holders, with the shapes recapitulating the shape or form of laid rope: the bulge of the strand and the valley (or C^ntline, as sailors used to call it) between two strands.

By 1374 English had imported that French word as swages, the moulded decorative shapes in a candlestick holder. From 1374 to the 19th century we have many instances of the word swagesreferring to roughly hemi-cylindrical or hemi-spherical shapes - either concave depressions or convex bulges; the concave swages were cut into anvils so that a convex bulge could be formed by hammering sheet silver or whatever.

The Industrial Revolution brought transformations in the word and its orthography. By 1811 swages were tools (including but not limited to concave depressions in anvils) for cold moulding metal to a desired shape and size. Let me emphasise that term cold moulding. And also the product of cold moulding or cold working - the concave depressions cut into the end of an axle so it could mate with a wheel were still called, in 1849, swages. And the cutting and hammering to produce such bulges and depressions was called swaging or swedging. In 1825 a swedge was a cold chisel, used to cut a groove in metal (such as in the groove around a horseshoe so the heads of the nails are in a recess); the cold moulding process of hammering the cold chisel to cut that groove was swedging. As we approached the horror of weapons of mass destruction in the late 19th century, swedging and swaging were used for processes of cold moulding to form bullets (enclosing lead with copper, shaping bullets). In 1908 swedge was used for the mould through which hot bar steel was drawn while being hammered to reduce its diameter.

To cut the dissertation short: in 1943 swage was used to name the process by which sheet copper was shaped to form a terminal for electrical wiring - to curl the copper sheet around the exposed wire so it made electrical contact and compress or even crimp the copper sheet to bind the terminal to the copper wire.

You can see where that leads, no?

From 1962 onwards, the accepted term for cold welding/cold moulding a metal sleeve or terminal to wire or wire rope was swage/swaging (with orthographic variations).

I'll jump back a few decades before continuing forward:

In 1925 James R Kearney formed his eponymous corporation in St Louis, Missouri. James R Kearney senior (JRK junior was born in 1904 and of course continued the corporation) developed and sold tools for maintaining power lines. A lot of swaging and crimping, if you get my drift.

In 1952, Kenneth R. Runde (an employee of the aforesaid James R Kearney Corporation) patented (and assigned said patent to said corporation) a crimping machine with replaceable dies.

In 1976, the swaging tool division of James R Kearney Corporation was bought by Loos & Company. Loos & Co. continued to marketed the tools as Locoloc Kearney Swaging Machine Tools.
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