Canada Metals on Rocna: Doublespeak?

[evm1024]

Originally Posted by CAELESTIS

Perhaps there is more to this story . . . .

Family missing $23k after building project quashed - Celeste Gorrell Anstiss - NZ Herald News

Grant, Ouch!

Whatever Grants misdeeds he did not bend those anchors or change the steel spec. Even a person who has an ax to grind should shout fire in a crowded theater when there is an actual fire.


(just google the title if the link fails.)

[avb3]

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

Oh my... I lost track of who is who around this Rocna fiasco and their account names here on CF but better make some popcorn and keep an eye to this thread....

ciao!
Nick.

What is the saying of birds of a feather that flock together?

Hollywood couldn't write a soap opera with as many twists and turns that the characters involved in the Rocna debacle provide us.

yup... time for

[idpnd]

Rocna Anchors' former co-owner Steve Banbury said King caused an irreparable split in the family and the business was eventually sold for considerably less than it was worth.

Yes it was him.. and the steel quality deception..

[marinextreme]

Originally Posted by idpnd

Yes it was him.. and the steel quality deception..

And so the dirt slinging launches again.
There is just one problem and that is that the published story is so full of inaccuracy that it beggars belief and is being actioned here as we read.

There is however another interesting quote from Steve Bambury in the article:

Rocna Anchors' former co-owner Steve Banbury said King caused an irreparable split in the family and the business was eventually sold for considerably less than it was worth.

The story given by Smith was that he took the license back from Bambury and did a deal with CMP to take over the rights from Bambury, not that Bambury had sold the company to CMP.

CMP have more than a little explaining to do as they still employ Bambury who was the one who ordered the lowering of the metal way back in 2008 and continued with all of the subsequent lies and deceit both in press releases and online forums well after he had been exposed as ripping off every purchaser of a cast rocna.

The inaction of CMP since November says it all as to who is actually running the ship and with him still at the helm it wont be long before another salvage team is in there

[CAELESTIS]

If the newspaper is not correct, you need to seek counsel for slander.

I doubt the prison records are inaccurate. Bambury may not be a good or honest businessman, but your credibility is zero. Grand theft auto, fraud, and embezzlement sound like the makings of a career criminal.

"King has been declared bankrupt three times, in 1991, 2005 and 2010, when he owed around $90,000 to six creditors.

Court records show that in the 1980s and 1990s King served a prison sentence for receiving stolen goods, lured "gullible" investors into handing over hundreds of thousands of dollars, and was taken to court by his insurance company after claiming compensation when a commercial building he owned was gutted by fire"

Court documents show King's offending goes back to at least 1982 when, at age 27, he was jailed for receiving four stolen vehicles.

In the 1990s King committed offences under the Crimes Act 1961 and the Securities Act 1978. According to court documents, he placed advertisements in newspapers offering securities to the public without a registered prospectus. Four people invested a total of $100,000, and wealthy American Joseph Simonetta put in $270,000.

In 2010 King was fired from Rocna Anchors after the company owners discovered he had withdrawn thousands of dollars from the company credit card here and overseas. Criminal charges were dropped after it was deemed to be a civil matter.

[marinextreme]

Originally Posted by CAELESTIS

If the newspaper is not correct, you need to seek counsel for slander.

I doubt the prison records are inaccurate. Bamburry may not be a good or honest businessman, but your credibility is zero. Grand theft auto, fraud, and embezzlement sound like the makings of a career criminal.

"King has been declared bankrupt three times, in 1991, 2005 and 2010, when he owed around $90,000 to six creditors.

Court records show that in the 1980s and 1990s King served a prison sentence for receiving stolen goods, lured "gullible" investors into handing over hundreds of thousands of dollars, and was taken to court by his insurance company after claiming compensation when a commercial building he owned was gutted by fire"

Court documents show King's offending goes back to at least 1982 when, at age 27, he was jailed for receiving four stolen vehicles.

In the 1990s King committed offences under the Crimes Act 1961 and the Securities Act 1978. According to court documents, he placed advertisements in newspapers offering securities to the public without a registered prospectus. Four people invested a total of $100,000, and wealthy American Joseph Simonetta put in $270,000.

In 2010 King was fired from Rocna Anchors after the company owners discovered he had withdrawn thousands of dollars from the company credit card here and overseas. Criminal charges were dropped after it was deemed to be a civil matter.

Action already taken

Your attempt to discredit me further, obviously in defence of Bambury, doent change the facts of what he did.

Also note that yes I served time for receiving stolen vehicles, not for anything to do with "investors" or insurance and in fact it was ME suing my insurance for payment , not THEM taking me to court.

Also note that the so called "withdrawal" of funds from the rocna credit card was the money paid in bribes to Rina to obtain certification and is the subject of a few detailed threads on YBW and an investigation conducted by Neeves in Australia.

If you are going to continue to push any sort of cleansing for Steve Bambury you are pitifully wasting your time, he has been exposed too much for it to work.

I would like to know in particular just what this has to do with what Rocna did in 2008 and continued to lie about?

The answer = nothing.

Actually now that I have been through your previous posts on this forum and see your dedication to pushing for Rocna and your interaction with Mark Pocock I can understand why you have been chosen to relaunch another personal attack on me.

A personal attack does not change the facts already known about their deceit.

[skipmac]

Originally Posted by CAELESTIS

Perhaps there is more to this story . . . .

Family missing $23k after building project quashed - Celeste Gorrell Anstiss - NZ Herald News

Now this is a serious new wrinkle but don't think the credibility of one critic will change the facts of Rocna's use of lower grade steel.

But the whole controversy just gets murkier.

[sailorboy1]

I only clicked on the thread to see how it was possible that there was still discussion going on about the subject.

But is seems there isn't and wish at least there were some good jokes throw in to make it worthwhile.

[avb3]

Originally Posted by skipmac

Now this is a serious new wrinkle but don't think the credibility of one critic will change the facts of Rocna's use of lower grade steel.

But the whole controversy just gets murkier.

Yup, it does.

Character matters, doesn't it? An interesting google search is "grant king sensible trust" .

Like I said, character does matter.

None of this absolves Rocna from using lower grade steel.

[S/V Alchemy]

Originally Posted by marinextreme

Deliberately misleading customers in the first place is bad enough, but continuing the charade and expecting to get away with it is something else entirely.

The arrogance of all involved is astounding.

Truer words were never spoken, Grant, baby, and maybe the only true words you've ever spoken.

The phrase "thick as thieves, but not as thick as specified" comes to mind.

[Letterman]

Greetings,

My name is Steve Taylor, the subject of the HOS article, and the lastest victim of Grant Norman King. I am going to read this thread from go to woe, and then make additional comment as I go.

Want to play Grant? Let's play.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and you are about to be blinded by the light.

Steve Taylor

[sailorboy1]

Originally Posted by Letterman

Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and you are about to be blinded by the light.

Got my wish! Expecting jokes to start now. Can hardly wait!

[Letterman]

Ok, I have read the thread:

I have been conducting a private investigation on GNK for about three weeks now. While I am aware of a grand total now of 59 people (and counting)that have been ripped off by GNK for a total of $2.15 million (and counting) in the past 20 plus years, the focus for this thread appears to be the industrial sabotage conducted by GNK whilst an employee of Rocna anchors, a firm from which he was summarily fired from for theft as a servant, and gross misconduct.

Let me be very clear in what I have found out, so that there is no grey area here: Whilst the Production Manager for Rocna Anchors (and whilst running a company called Juicy Consultants), GNK independently, and without the knowledge of Rocna Management, authorised the use of lower grade steel to be used in the production of the Rocna anchor, whilst on a business and quality control trip in China on behalf of Rocna.

GNK also embezzled $14,000 from the Rocna credit card, in order to pay for equine resources for his then 19 year old girlfriend Hayley Morgan of Tiger Equine. In addition, he conned $28,000 out of Rocna for the start up of NZ Sleepouts, collectively costing the organisation around $1,000,000 in corporate value and theft.

Please don't be scared off by GNK bleating about what "action" he is taking - he is all mouth and trousers. He has never actually "taken" any action in his life (except perhaps, pre-pubescent).

Of course, GNK has the absolute choice to challenge me in a legal sense with regard to everything I am saying - so c'mon Grant - come out and play with me.

You have obfuscation and untruth - but I have evidence.

[Letterman]

Oh, and the Herald on Sunday article?

Dead accurate on all counts regarding GNK.

[avb3]

Originally Posted by Letterman

Greetings,

My name is Steve Taylor, the subject of the HOS article, and the lastest victim of Grant Norman King. I am going to read this thread from go to woe, and then make additional comment as I go.

Want to play Grant? Let's play.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and you are about to be blinded by the light.

Steve Taylor

Steve, let me fill you in by using the least words possible, as you can be reading a month to catch up on all the going ons.

Rocna anchors were a premium brand anchor which charged a premium price. Those manufactured in New Zealand and Canada were beyond reproach; they were built as the original designer, Peter Smith, had outlined.

Smith sold, or licensed the anchor company to an Australian group, Holdfast, who moved all manufacturing to China.

Some anchors, all traced back to China, started appearing that were bent under use. An independent person decided to get an anchor he bought off the shelf tested, and lo and behold, the metal used was significantly below that which was called for.

Grant King at some point was hired by Holdfast to run the anchor manufacturing in China. There was a falling out with the new owners, King was dismissed, lawsuits and retribution all around. King substantiated what many felt was the case, that the new owners were cheating on the quality.

Many supported King, including yours truly, as it seemed he was the honest broker in the whole schmoozle.

As a result of the debacle in the lower standard, Holdfast sold to the Canadian company, who is keeping the manufacturing in China. It appears they also will not build to the original specifications, but that is another matter.

It not appears that there may be more to Mr. King then what many felt was the case.

We look forward to your comments, just be careful with the defamation stuff, stick with the facts, as King has obviously seen the inside of a court room in many different capacities, and is not afraid to proceed especially against those that he perceives to be weaker.

You can find some interesting reading about an example of that if you google "grant king sensible sentencing trust".

I see you actually know about that... oh what the heck, let's leave the suggestion in for others to google.