Photos of Anchors Setting

[noelex 77]

Originally Posted by DoubleWhisky

Only other thing I can think about is this crazy strange thing called probably Box anchor...

Bingo! You are too good.

I will take some mermaid photos tomorrow

Here is the link to the anchor:
The Box Anchor

[Coops]

Originally Posted by noelex 77

I will take some mermaid photos tomorrow

We are such an obvious lot.

Coops.

[DoubleWhisky]

Originally Posted by noelex 77

Here is the link to the anchor:
The Box Anchor

Originally Posted by noelex 77

XYZ is a unique anchor that defies normal classification, but

Let's put the Box aside. When I saw it, I was under impression it was invented by boating fascinated farmer as a creative developement of a wide tooth harrow. If it was possible to make a plough to be an anchor, why not to follow with other tool of trade..?..

On the other hand XYZ is something what intrigues me.
The reasoning behind this design is completely logical.
I read some testimonials sating it is (or was - in older configuration) really difficult to set properly, but once set it was reportedly able to withstand even the worst conditions.
Probably, even with much changes, the inventors still struggle to find the proper geometry for this idea, but it probably may be still most promising general configuration for the yacht anchor.

Waiting sleeplessly for Mermaid's gallery

Tomasz

[jongleur]

In looking at the XYZ anchor website, there are no
side views. The video only shows a pulling angle
that would be maybe 300 to 1 (virtually horizontal).
Just about any anchor will bury and hold well at
that scope.

Anybody have experience with either the XYZ anchor or the Box
anchor?

[DoubleWhisky]

We are all holding breathe and waiting, waiting, waiting....

[noelex 77]

As promised, here are a couple of photos of my "mermaid exploring the pots" today .

My mermaid and I actually had a little holiday today from inspecting anchors and took the tender out to a nearby reef that was close to the channel, well placed to catch unsuspecting vessels. We were hoping to find the source of the terracotta littering the seabed below us. Sure enough, there was lots of evidence of ancient shipwrecks there, with pottery fragments by the thousand fused into the rocks.

No decent maps in those days. It is eerie imagining the fear and the struggle for survival while the ship was breaking up in what probably would have been wild conditions.





The pottery has embedded into the rock better than most anchors do in the sand around here :

[Kenomac]

Originally Posted by DoubleWhisky

Quite long setting distance is more bothering me. Interesting if it is normal for Ultra?

Cheers,

Tomasz

Our experience with the Ultra following nearly a year at anchor and diving on it nearly daily over two seasons, is that it tends to dig in if properly set, then the chain just rotates around the anchor with wind shifts. In a weed, or root infested bottom like the one pictured, I would normally expect the fluke to bury only 2/3 or so especially if the bottom is hard. I've never witnessed the anchor rotate with wind or tide changes, just the chain rotating.

When the wind significantly increases, the anchor just seems to bury deeper as most would.

[Sulaire]

As I and many others have mentioned before , anchoring success or otherwise is all down to the captains technique.

I bet if you gave noelex an ultra etc he would set it properly and there would be no problems, on the other hand; give a mantus to some of the boats pictured, it too would just sit on the bottom or dig in a little etc. its not the tool but the guy driving it!!!

Our ultra is buried deep each time by a gradual increase in reverse to 2700 rpm for 30secs, all you can see after that is the top of the shank, its simple really, lots of chain and a good nights sleep, if it does not take after the reverse , start again...


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[DoubleWhisky]

Ken, Sulaire,

I was asking for the distances Ultra normally travel from the point of drop to the point where it is set well (assuming proper care and procedure)???

Is it less than anchor length?
One length?
Two lengths?
May be more?

I have no doubts this anchor holds very well once set

Cheers,

Tomasz

[Sulaire]

I can only speak for ourselves , but if we follow the procedure mentioned, the ultra is buried deep in about half a meter, in the substrates noelex has shown. We are in the eastern med greece/ turkey too so very similar locations.

3-4 years with it now from Scotland to here , no marinas and no town quays, only swinging to anchor each night (ok we go into a marina over nov to feb!). No dragging yet, only substrate it will not tolerate is thin sand over solid rock.

It is a different design philosophy to the mantus as I have explained before , i like the mantus alot too and would happily have one , but i am an ultra guy at the moment. My bowsprit is a deciding factor too (3meters long!).






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[DoubleWhisky]

Originally Posted by Sulaire

I can only speak for ourselves , but if we follow the procedure mentioned, the ultra is buried deep in about half a meter, in the substrates noelex has shown. We are in the eastern med greece/ turkey too so very similar locations.

3-4 years with it now from Scotland to here , no marinas and no town quays, only swinging to anchor each night (ok we go into a marina over nov to feb!). No dragging yet, only substrate it will not tolerate is thin sand over solid rock.

It is a different design philosophy to the mantus as I have explained before , i like the mantus alot too and would happily have one , but i am an ultra guy at the moment. My bowsprit is a deciding factor too (3meters long!).

Thank You for info!

Less the own lenght of anchor to bury is excellent result!

By the way, I can not believe it, but after Noelex posted new Marmaid's photos we are still debating over anchors!!!!!

Anchorholism is much worse, than I ever expected...
Where and when is nearest meeting af AA group?!?!?!?

[DoubleWhisky]

Originally Posted by noelex 77

As promised, here are a couple of photos of my "mermaid exploring the pots" today .

The pottery has embedded into the rock better than most anchors do in the sand around here :

Thank You both for fantastic photos

It must be wonderful to dive down to such a remnants of the history, I supose

Thank You a lot again,

Tomasz

[JPA Cate]

Yes, it is lovely to be reminded of the picture takers and of the history of the area.

[ImaginaryNumber]

Noelex,
Do I remember someone requesting that you intentionally drop your Mantas in heavy weed, and then photograph how it sets? That information would be helpful for those who have less choice where to set an anchor. Also, if you ever have a rocky area that you could try to set the anchor in, that would be great too.
Thanks

[noelex 77]

Originally Posted by ImaginaryNumber

Noelex,
Do I remember someone requesting that you intentionally drop your Mantas in heavy weed, and then photograph how it sets?
Thanks

I agree that to test the Mantus in weed would be valuable. New generation anchors are very versatile, but thick weed is their most common Achilles' heel.
I am hoping that I will encounter some weedy anchorages naturally, as I am reluctant to deliberately anchor in a worse substrate, but it may be necessary.

There was one anchorage with moderate weed and the Mantus did an excellent job:




On a theoretical level, the long thin tapered blade of the Mantus should be ideal for slicing through weed. There is a positive correlation between good performance in hard sand and weed. Anchors that can cut into hard sand are generally the ones that can also cut through thick weed roots. Finally, it is essential that a good weed anchor sets quickly. An anchor that drags several metres before setting will pick up a lot of weed in this distance which stops the anchor working well.

So the very reliable performance of the Mantus in hard sand together with its very short setting distance and long thin tapered blade all point to excellent performance in weed, but this needs to be further tested.