Sarca Excel

[transmitterdan]

There are at least 2 "types" of Sarca Excel anchors. One is like a Delta with little differences that may mean a lot but I don't know. The other one is more like another notorious brand anchor with roll bar and flatter blade. I have no idea which version is causing all the dust up here. It doesn't matter because any anchor discussion causes a dust up and thus they are universally useless.

As proof, if you scroll down a few messages below here someone will jump on me for something I said in this message.

[Cotemar]

Originally Posted by congo

Hi Cotemar,
Your observation is far from accurate, see link clearly showing the concept of the Excel.

Wotname, obviously you bought the wrong model.

Regards Rex.
CEO of Anchor Right Australia.

As the video states. The Plow (Sarca Excel) drags less than a older Delta plow.

That is all ok, but most cruisers are looking for and ANCHOR that does not drag at all.

[congo]

transmitterdan

No, you are quite wrong. Super Sarca and Sarca Excel- two different concepts.


Regards Rex

[congo]

Cotemer,

Very good, let me know when you find one.

Regards
Rex.

[Cotemar]

I am only talking about the Sarca Excel = Delta = CQR = Plow anchor

Super Sarca is a nice looking anchor and looks to be a bit flatter, so looks to be a better design, not just a knock off of the old Plow design.

The only grip I have with any anchor that has that long slot on it is that no one really uses that slot, so why weaken the shank with that thing.

[Cotemar]

Originally Posted by JonJo

Cotemar,

Looks are deceptive, you 'look', on the forum, like a really nice guy, attentive, knowledgeable etc, but to confirm that I'd really need to meet you a few times (you might read it all from books and have an auto alert). A bit like an anchor, looks can be deceptive, the only way to know is to try. Once you have tried you are then in a position to make an educated comment.

Believe me. I have had plenty of nights in a blow with the engine running to take the pressure off the anchor, so as not to drag into another boat.

All night anchor watchs.

Dragging around the harbor at 2am.

Bottom shopping for anything to bite into.

I never want to be and expert with those plow anchors again

[Cotemar]

Originally Posted by downunder

It is my understanding where tests have been carried out, and certainly the manufacturers results suggest the Excel outperforms the super sarca and similar anchors. That could suggest its not in the plough catagory. (ie. Testing for registration as as SHHP (Super High Holding Power)

Although I guess you have not seen one in the flesh.

Both anchors are metal
Both have the same convex design
Both measure the same
Both look the same
Both anchor the same

Is this one of those cases where the blind man tells his deaf son.
Son, this anchor really is different, can you hear me ???....

[JonJo]

Cotemar,

There are 4 anchors rated as Super High Holding Power, Super SARCA, SARCA Excel, Fortress and Supreme. (There are a couple for large commercial vessels) There are a number rated as High Holding Power, Delta, CQR, Bugel (genuine) Danforth. HHP has half the holding capacity of SHHP.

The Fortress looks like a Danforth but has 2 x the holding capacity.

The Boss looks like a Bruce, but tests (that I have only heard about) show it to have at least twice the holding capacity of a Bruce.

I am sorry you are blindly restricted to looks to determine your choices - but your methodology totally lacks any scientific basis.

What you effectively are saying is: I have never actually seen an Excel, I have never actually touched an Excel and I have certainly never tried to use one, but none of that matters, all those people who rely on the Excel, over (say) a Delta are wrong - I am right because I think the Excel and Delta look the same.

And I, Cotemar, am a credible person to be trusted and relied on for reasoned and honest recommendation.

Have a great day.

[congo]

Never mind Cotemar, at least you think it has a pretty pink dress, here is the oportunity for you to see for the blind man and explain the difference.


SARCA Excel to The Test - YouTube

[Uncle Bob]

Originally Posted by Cotemar

Both anchors are metal
Both have the same convex design
Both measure the same
Both look the same
Both anchor the same

Is this one of those cases where the blind man tells his deaf son.
Son, this anchor really is different, can you hear me ???....

Hi I have an older simpson lawerence delta and a sarca excel, same weight, definately not the same holding power.
They look similiar but the angles and dimensions are somewhat different, and (touch wood) the excel has to date held and set far better.
If anyone wants to purchase the delta it is currently on E BAY.!!

[S/V Alchemy]

I have a Danforth Hi-tensile in steel and a lighter Fortress in aluminum. They are rated similarly.

There is no comparison: The Fortress is far more tenacious. Superficially, one might assume they are similar in performance.

This is not my experience. Neither like a sharp veer, however, and other anchors might reset faster, but not, I think to this point, would they set harder than the Fortress. I need a bigger main for the bigger boat now, but the Fortress will remain the secondary/lunch hook, even on the bigger boat.

I own a 20 kg. original Bruce and a same sized CQR, but I've never tested them one after the other in trying conditions. The Bruce is still very popular here, probably because in fresh water you can just inherit Grand-dad's boat and his ground tackle...there's nothing that won't buff out or need more than a zinc bath.

So I concur with the notion that looks can be deceiving and do not necessarily predict performance.

[Factor]

Originally Posted by Cotemar

Both anchors are metal
Both have the same convex design
Both measure the same
Both look the same
Both anchor the same

Is this one of those cases where the blind man tells his deaf son.
Son, this anchor really is different, can you hear me ???....

And yet they are both very different when you use them. They do NOT anchor the same. I will say that gain, they DO NOT anchor the same. I don't know about you but I have used a Delta on my boat and an Excel, the difference is observable measurable and marked. Their design is quite different when you actually use them and have them on your boat.

All I can do is go on my own experience and that of others including the people that hand out SHHP and HHP ratings.

[GMac]

Originally Posted by JonJo

Aston Martin looks like the 'equivalent' Jag?

Careful, you're playing with fire there. As much as a AM is damn cool a good Jag is the real cold shower machine. But I'll take either if you have any spare ones

Now be nice to Cotemar as what he is saying is commonly said, we hear that a lot. But as he does point out he has only seen them on the interweb where they often do look pretty much the same. He's not saying anything 100's already haven't.

I sell anchors, lots of them and have for many years. I had a little design input into one or 2 that are in use today. I test them, I use them, I have Govt Depts asking me what to use, I ask probably 3-4 boats a day what they use, how it's set-up and how they find it and stuff like that. I also talk to the anchor makers a lot, today alone I have talked to Manson, Anchor Right, Fortress and a eastern manufacturer about a couple of small 1500kg numbers.

I can assure you that while the Delta and Excel look similar if you put the 2 side by side on the floor there is many differences. I can also assure you that if you swap between them while on your boat you will see quite a significant difference, when push comes to shove. We are talking chalk and cheese a lot of the time.

By far the Delta is the most swapped out anchor we see. Many who swap out the Delta go to the Excel. Some don't and go Supreme as they see, quite wrongly, the Excel as another Delta. To date we have had some very sceptical Excel users so we have been running with this line to help calm the nerves of people twitchy about their anchor issues. We give them anchors to use for 6 or so weeks, at which stage they either give them back or pay for them. To date we have never had a new Excel user want to swap to something else. We've even had a few boaters ring after just a weekend of trying and told us to take their money. None of the other anchors we sell has had a 100% rate like the Excel has, one has come close but it's quite a different style and a bit of a local favourite but only as it's also a goodie.

Something I'm surprised hasn't popped up yet is this


This was produced by a crowd called Robertsons in Aussie for the Aussie Marine Board, their Govt Dept in charge of wet stuff with boats on it, whatever it's called. Robertsons do not make nor do they sell anchors so they don't give a rats bottom which one does whatever. I'm told the above is the result of over 100 tests. Also they tested in a manner that takes almost all of the variables anchors have to deal with out meaning the results are the anchor only, not different Hp's, throttle speeds, rodes and all that stuff that commonly plays with the results of most tests. This has to be about the most unbiased clean anchor test we've seen for a long long time.

Not only does it show Rex Mr Sarca must be onto something very good, can anyone see the massive performance difference between the Rocna and Supreme some outfit has been claiming for years?

Yes we sell Sarca products but we also sell every other anchor listed on that graph plus more, bar the CQR as that's soooo last century now. Why? Some people have perceptions that just can't be shaken so at least we can adjust the rest of their system to allow for the lower anchor performance. Sadly more than a few of those have ended up buying more anchors than they needed too. But that's life and we all don't make the right call the 1st time do we.

The biggest sellers we have are the Sarca Excel, the Super Sarca and the Supreme. Those 3 are comfortably head and shoulders above all the rest.

No I'm not getting paid, given beers, sisters phone numbers, one or more Wombats nor anything else to write this. If anything I will have this post mentioned to me in vocal tones suggesting someone isn't that happiest at what I've said out loud. But ya get that.

As a slight aside - anyone seen the new Lewmar Delta cheapie, a DTX or something like that. They proudly proclaim it has 'Ordinary Holding Power Approval'

[downunder]

GMac,

Good informative post and its great to hear there is an active USA distributer for some good Aussie products.

Robertson's are Australia wide specialists in chain, lifting and rigging.

Robertsons - Lifting ^ Rigging ^ Height Safety - Robertsons Profile

My hometown of Mackay just south of the Whitsundays is the Australia entry port for the ARC and many other rallys, is a major service hub for the Bowen Basin Coal mines and has a big Robertsons facility servicing the Coal Industry.

[delmarrey]

Originally Posted by Factor

And yet they are both very different when you use them. They do NOT anchor the same. I will say that gain, they DO NOT anchor the same. I don't know about you but I have used a Delta on my boat and an Excel, the difference is observable measurable and marked. Their design is quite different when you actually use them and have them on your boat.

All I can do is go on my own experience and that of others including the people that hand out SHHP and HHP ratings.

If you look at the shank you can see the difference. The Excel has a steeper dig when the shank is being pulled. Also, it is higher off the ground when sitting on it's heels.