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Izikalvo · 16-07-2021, 21:51

A quote in one of the Facebook groups dealing with anchors caught my eye and imagination:
“Something I’ve noticed a lot concerning anchoring discussions which is the way that belief in an anchor closely mirrors monotheistic religious beliefs. It would then be ‘only one God, Jehovah or Buddha’ for example. I think the reason for this similarity is that both religion and anchors are solutions to existential uncertainty and both our religious beliefs and our faith in our chosen anchor can become endowed with mystical properties in protecting us. I’ve noticed that those who know most about anchors, especially those who test them, tend to hold a wider view of the strengths and weaknesses of different anchors in different substrates. They are evidence-based anchor atheists”.

Let's hear it.

Mr B · 16-07-2021, 22:13

I made both my new generation type hoop anchors and after a few mods here and there, Both work perfectly in winds well over 40 knots,

And one was tried in 70 knots, 4 days and never moved an inch,
The big one in the same spot would not even catch, ????????

Panope gave me a few Ideas and helped to make my anchors work,
Getting the weight onto the point made all the difference,

I dont care what people think of my anchors, They do work in extreme conditions,

Which is why I made them, I was over dragging anchors,

Cheers Brian,

**StuM** · 16-07-2021, 22:35

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Originally Posted by Izikalvo

They are evidence-based anchor atheists”.

Nope, that would be someone who doesn't believe in anchors.
They are anchor eclectics.

**JPA Cate** · 17-07-2021, 00:30

anchorites vs. anchor outs?

HankOnthewater · 17-07-2021, 00:58

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Originally Posted by JPA Cate

anchorites vs. anchor outs?

Ann, that is one observation not everyone will get.
I am strong believer in the former, but just to make sure, I follow another religion as well. I even have a third religion, but that is only lightweight, a belief that is more portable, but I never practise really, maybe I should. And then the dinghy religion, does that count?

Hmmm, thinking about that, not many people follow two or more religions, but it would make sense not having all eggs in one basket.

I am curious where this thread leads to, but if the religion is steadfast, thread drag will be minimal.

**noelex 77** · 17-07-2021, 01:58

At the risk of corrupting an old sailors’ adage: “when anchored in a storm above 50 knots there is no law and above 60 knots there is no god.”

However, in the type of wind strength shown below a little bit of prayer is a good idea.

Enfant Du Vent · 17-07-2021, 03:11

I think it's always good to be stoic when anchored in a storm:

"Do not tie a ship to a single anchor, nor life to a single hope."
-Epictetus

**carstenb** · 17-07-2021, 03:33

There is an old saying: "There are no atheists in foxholes"

For cruisers: "There are no atheists at sea in a storm"

and

"There are no atheists at anchor in a storm"

I'm a non-believer in my regular life - but having been at sea in a storm, I found myself calling for Poseidon's mercy.

And I have certainly muttered a quiet prayer to Njord to let our anchor hold one night - even though our motto on board is "In Mantus we trust"

Tetepare · 17-07-2021, 03:48

I carry two different anchors.

I think the bottom is more important than the anchor.

Believe nothing you read on Farcebook.

I dragged once because I dropped the anchor on sand, didn’t bother to set it, and rafted another boat before it hit 74kts. It set itself. I always sleep well.

RaymondR · 17-07-2021, 04:01

Monotheistic religious beliefs have a practical purpose in a society in that they are supposed to mitigate conflicts between the supporters of disparate gods. Unfortunately it seldom works and instances of sectarian violence between supporters of suposedly the same god are common in human history.

Fortunately extremes of physical violence have not yet occurred in the pleasure vessel community in respect of anchor preferences but if those damned Sarka fans don't desist from their arrogant and absolutist ways it could commence at any time. Not making any threats but I've seen it all before with the refrigeration experts.

thinwater · 17-07-2021, 04:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Izikalvo

A quote in one of the Facebook groups dealing with anchors caught my eye and imagination:
“Something I’ve noticed a lot concerning anchoring discussions which is the way that belief in an anchor closely mirrors monotheistic religious beliefs. It would then be ‘only one God, Jehovah or Buddha’ for example. I think the reason for this similarity is that both religion and anchors are solutions to existential uncertainty and both our religious beliefs and our faith in our chosen anchor can become endowed with mystical properties in protecting us. I’ve noticed that those who know most about anchors, especially those who test them, tend to hold a wider view of the strengths and weaknesses of different anchors in different substrates. They are evidence-based anchor atheists”.

Let's hear it.

The nature of belief is a puzzler. Our brain seems to be designed, whether by structure or training, to decide what we think based on what people we trust tell us, and then cling to that belief, uninterested in evidence, perhaps even annoyed by it. We want things to stay simple (X is best).

But anchors evolve and a fisherman's anchor isn't best anymore. Belief isn't simple anymore.

No, I have never looked for help in a storm. There isn't any. Swear a bit, maybe. Think some obviously, purposefully optimistic thoughts, yes.

But none of this means anchoring should be a fear-fest. Know what you have, know that it is enough, and go to sleep. If it's not enough, add more.

thinwater · 17-07-2021, 04:48

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Originally Posted by RaymondR

...physical violence have not yet occurred in the pleasure vessel community in respect of anchor preferences but if those damned Sarka fans don't desist from their arrogant and absolutist ways it could commence at any time. Not making any threats but I've seen it all before with the refrigeration experts.

LOL!!

Greg Mason · 17-07-2021, 15:47

People who have a perception can turn it into a belief. People with beliefs can turn them into truths. My perception is; it is their truth. The only good anchor is the one that works for each person, and they believe in it. I eat bread, but I have never seen the likeness of God on a piece of toast. Others have.