Upsizing anchor - suggestions?

[Pete7]

Originally Posted by OneBoatman

I say a 10Kg anchor of any type is a bit small for a Catalina 30. A Catalina 30 loaded for an extended cruise and the regular breezes of the Caribbean needs at a 15 kg anchor at least

Hmm, based on what? The manufacturer's instructions?

Originally Posted by OneBoatman

(7:1 depth to the roller should be fine for overnight in average conditions),

I do hope so with that lot out for average conditions, what happens in a crowded anchorage? How about 15 metres plus twice the depth instead:

https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...ce-249475.html

Pete

[Pete7]

Originally Posted by jerryf609

My plan will be to put the chain in the locker and see how much room i have. Then buy rope.

Would you not prefer 200ft of 1/4" chain instead?

[jerryf609]

Originally Posted by Pete7

Would you not prefer 200ft of 1/4" chain instead?

Yes i would Pete. But trying to get a good system that doesnt break the bank . This is a difficult decision for me. I want to spend the money to make it righ.

That would be about another $300. I guess i could do that but mot sure of the necessity.

Im at about $1800 now before any rope.

But if i find out later that the chain is yoo short then money spent on that is a waste.

???

[rslifkin]

Originally Posted by Pete7

Would you not prefer 200ft of 1/4" chain instead?

200 feet of chain would be better, but for the most part, the Great Lakes don't have any severe bottom chafe concerns. So 90 feet of chain plus line is generally sufficient. And on a 30 foot boat, weight in the bow is likely to be a concern as well.

[jerryf609]

Maybe I'll up it to 120' chain. I have friends with a larger heavier sailboat ...maybe 38'... they cruise great lakes for about30 to 45 days every summer anchoring out almost exclusively. They have a large Rocna, 125' of 3/8" chain plus rope. He says they are usually on all chain.

[jerryf609]

Ok. I'm going with 125' of chain. That plus 30' of nylon rope will give me a 6:1 scope in 20' of depth (plus 5' bow above water). With plenty more rope for deeper water or increased scope.

[rgleason]

The lakes have sand, muddy sand and mud, some rock, but no coral. If it were my boat I'd have less chain to carry around, but my approach seems to be different than most people.

[jerryf609]

Thanks Rgleason. And thanks to everone who commented.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by jerryf609

Ok. I'm going with 125' of chain. That plus 30' of nylon rope will give me a 6:1 scope in 20' of depth (plus 5' bow above water). With plenty more rope for deeper water or increased scope.

I'd rather have more scope and less chain.

For the last 10 years, I have used nylon rode 250' and 35' heavy chain.

Just switched to backup rode (300' nylon) and 40' chain.

[rslifkin]

Originally Posted by thomm225

I'd rather have more scope and less chain.

For the last 10 years, I have used nylon rode 250' and 35' heavy chain.

Just switched to backup rode (300' nylon) and 40' chain.

More scope than 6:1 just isn't necessary with an adequate anchor. And in plenty of places (particularly in deeper water), more than 6:1 just isn't going to work without either swinging into another boat, swinging aground, etc.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by rslifkin

More scope than 6:1 just isn't necessary with an adequate anchor. And in plenty of places (particularly in deeper water), more than 6:1 just isn't going to work without either swinging into another boat, swinging aground, etc.

Swinging into another boat?

I don't follow the herding instinct but would rather anchor away from others as many seem to have trouble anchoring.

Plus my boat came with a CQR and it works fine at least for the last 10 years....but I do give it more than 6:1 scope.

The boat also came with 550 feet of nylon rode and 75' of chain so I have the scope covered....

Just switched to the backup 10 KG Claw for testing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoM2zVYkxY

[rslifkin]

Originally Posted by thomm225

Swinging into another boat?

I don't follow the herding instinct but would rather anchor away from others as many seem to have trouble anchoring.

Plus my boat came with a CQR and it works fine at least for the last 10 years....but I do give it more than 6:1 scope.

The boat also came with 550 feet of nylon rode and 75' of chain so I have the scope covered....

Just switched to the backup 10 KG Claw for testing.

Enough. We get that you refuse to spend a penny on ground tackle, enjoy anchoring far away from everyone at extremely long scope and like anchoring with junk. The rest of us don't or want to go places where it's just not an option. You post the same damn video in every anchoring thread and act like your method is good enough so nobody should ever want or need better and we're all sick of it.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by rslifkin

Enough. We get that you refuse to spend a penny on ground tackle, enjoy anchoring far away from everyone at extremely long scope and like anchoring with junk. The rest of us don't or want to go places where it's just not an option. You post the same damn video in every anchoring thread and act like your method is good enough so nobody should ever want or need better and we're all sick of it.

It seems some aren't getting the point. My old CQR anchor works fine! (I have to keep reminding some folks that you don't need a new anchor. see video above)

I simply find it ridiculous to waste money on something I don't need.

If you like to have a shiny new anchor on your bow go for it; I don't need it.

Plus I don't keep my anchor on the bow anyway.

Also I enjoy using the older stuff and getting by on pennies rather than investing a small fortune in something just to sail and anchor.

I spent like $30,000 on the last two beach cats I raced.

Pictures are of the Nacra 17 only. I don't have any of my Nacra 6.0 available today.

[rslifkin]

Originally Posted by thomm225

It seems some aren't getting the point. My old CQR anchor works fine! (I have to keep reminding some folks that you don't need a new anchor. see video above)

I simply find it ridiculous to waste money on something I don't need.

If you like to have a shiny new anchor on your bow go for it; I don't need it.

Plus I don't keep my anchor on the bow anyway.

Also I enjoy using the older stuff and getting by on pennies rather than investing a small fortune in something just to sail and anchor.

It's fine to use what you've got if it works. But when someone has already decided that their current setup isn't sufficient for their needs, the "use the cheap stuff you have" advice is no longer useful. They've already decided to spend money on new gear, so at that point, it's a question of what gear will give them the best results (and sometimes also whether spending more will actually produce an improvement or if a cheaper option will do just fine).

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by rslifkin

It's fine to use what you've got if it works. But when someone has already decided that their current setup isn't sufficient for their needs, the "use the cheap stuff you have" advice is no longer useful. They've already decided to spend money on new gear, so at that point, it's a question of what gear will give them the best results (and sometimes also whether spending more will actually produce an improvement or if a cheaper option will do just fine).

Why do you say cheap stuff.

A 35 lb CQR anchor at the used sailboat supply store here is going for $225.

I happened to price one last time there as I had never check anchor prices since my boat came with two main anchors with chain and nylon rode plus three small Danforth's. (PO was big on anchors)

They worked fine for many years and still work fine.

I have seen the type though that like to put shiny new anchors on their boat's bow when they buy them though.

A guy got rid of a heavy Bruce for a small chrome CQR knock-off here recently on the boat he just bought.