La Vagabonde's crossing

[atoll]

i guess they have had their coffee and got the code 0 out ,8.3kt boat speed now

https://forecast.predictwind.com/tra...ingLaVagabonde

[IAmGroot]

Originally Posted by Breaking Waves

just looking a bit at bigger picture routing, and speed decisions.

Friday there is forecast to be a high-pressure break developing. It would be useful to keep up enough speed to be on the north side of that break. Otherwise, they will end up in very light air and either essentially be parks for a while or need to motor.

so, I would be aiming to get up to somewhere along this black line.

Not seeing any recent threads discussing weather routing software. What are you using to create these cool scenarios?

[Terje Vigen]

Originally Posted by Budawang

Interview with Riley on ABC radio:

https://www.abc.net.au/radio/perth/p...ouple/11700864

He says he's got the best weather router in the world helping them. Sounds pretty impressed with you Greta. It sure will make for some interesting YouTube episodes.

Further, from their Facebook page:

A massive thanks to PredictWind for helping us out here and our northern hemisphere man Christian Dumard.

[Terje Vigen]

Christian Dumard, who is helping them out with weather routing, is obviously quite capable: https://www.facebook.com/marineweatherandstrategy/

[TeddyDiver]

Originally Posted by boatman61

La Coruna means heading further N against predominantly N winds and a S going current (15-25nm/24hrs)..
Cadiz would add at least 1 or even 2 days to the trip..
IMHO Lisbon is their best option.. but, I am not the skipper or decision maker..
At 120km 'next to' is a stretch re Cadiz-Seville.
Vigo would be better than A Coruna.. 5hrs 37mins.

Most likely Lisbon. Thou never know what the weather brings this time of year. anyway they have an option to duck either way in case of some nasty weather.

[Terje Vigen]

Also interesting to follow Nikki Henderson on her Facebook site.
This was posted 2 days ago:

Seasickness took Greta, Elayna and Lenny out of action last night. Riley and myself spent the night making as much ground as we could. We have flown every sail on the boat already - which is a lot of work physically hoisting and dropping. We did 2 hours on 2 hours off shifts over night, and spent each watch change poring over the weather together - working out where is safest to go. We feel good about where we are going now - made a decision as a team - south - away from what looks like the strongest headwinds.

As dawn broke we sailed into the Gulf Stream. It got warmer, morale improved and the sun has shined all day. Porridge, cashew yogurt fresh berries and peanut butter - breakfast of champions! It feels like we are on a health food show ...

https://www.facebook.com/pg/nikki.he...=page_internal

[conachair]

Originally Posted by TeddyDiver

Most likely Lisbon. Thou never know what the weather brings this time of year. anyway they have an option to duck either way in case of some nasty weather.

Sometimes not many places if any to run to on that coast , another bookmark >
https://www.amn.pt/DGAM/Capitanias/P...as-Barras.aspx

Get round St Vincent and usually all calms down.

[Exile]

@Breaking_Waves --

Excellent set of posts introducing some of us to the world of weather routing.

[daletournier]

Has anyone worked out their average speed to date?

[atoll]

Originally Posted by Terje Vigen

Also interesting to follow Nikki Henderson on her Facebook site.
This was posted 2 days ago:

https://www.facebook.com/pg/nikki.he...=page_internal

"As dawn broke we sailed into the Gulf Stream. It got warmer, morale improved and the sun has shined all day. Porridge, cashew yogurt fresh berries and peanut butter - breakfast of champions! It feels like we are on a health food show ........."


" It feels like we are on a health food show ."

and that my foreign friends is classic british middle class understatement!

translated it means ,the food is crap,we need more calories,bacon and eggs,corned beef , beans,,fried potatoes and some of those freeze dried steaks,finished off with treacle duff and custard like we get on the challenge yachts,three times a day,plus snacks and endless tea

it's going to be a long trip on those meagre rations nikki me luv,sorry for your loss
on the bright side becoming a vegan will make you a better person,so i'm told

[Auspicious]

Originally Posted by atoll

i find it interesting because they are going against the conventional wisdom

As is often the case conventional wisdom changes slowly except where stupidity (<- sorry for the judgment) reigns, as in people staging in Lake Worth FL to hop to West End Bahamas. *sigh*

The northerly route west-to-east and southerly east-to-west as faded among the well informed for decades. Two big factors are boats that can sail comfortably upwind (close reach, not a beat) and often more comfortably than downwind. Second is the shift in the Gulf Stream across the Atlantic a good bit south of historical routes. This makes Bermuda-Azores-Falmouth a really good route in both directions. For Europeans heading to the Caribbean Canaries-St Lucia still makes sense. If heading to the US East Coast it makes no sense at all. I remember having this discussion back in 2005 and I was far from first.

Originally Posted by ahun

I wonder if this going to be the most influential sailing event of the century, where we throw away the parroting of certain restrictions of geological and time limitations regarding of sailing.

La Vagabonde is following best practice and not plowing any new ground.

Originally Posted by TeddyDiver

Very good point Atoll! And anything less than 20kt and you are effectively becalmed.

Pardon? How do you get that? You should be able to generally reach boat speed about half of true wind down to really light air (single digits). Of course seas have an impact. So does the speed-power curve. In 16 kts you should be able to reach 7-8 kts from a close reach to a broad reach absent heavy seas (swell from storms can be an issue for thousands of miles) or crew that doesn't care.

Originally Posted by john61ct

Governmental level solutions, coordinated internationally are required, and massive publicity campaigns are required to overcome the corporate power lined up to keep fossil fuels the status quo.

I disagree. Individual efforts make a bigger difference. Unplug "stuff." Thermostat adjustments. All those instant-on, remote-controlled devices? Unplug them. Chargers. All the vampire devices. How many chargers do you have plugged in with nothing attached? Caulked your windows in the last few years? Checked insulation in the attic? Plugged airflow around doors, windows, and electrical outlets? What temp is your water heater set to? Heck, just combine errands into a single optimized trip. I recall a study that indicated a 30% reduction in energy consumption is easily attainable by Americans without any more significant impact than putting on a sweater when it is cold.

Government programs are rarely efficient. Remember recycling programs began with grassroots efforts in the 70s, not as government programs.

/rant over.

[TeddyDiver]

Originally Posted by Auspicious

..snip
Pardon? How do you get that? You should be able to generally reach boat speed about half of true wind down to really light air (single digits). Of course seas have an impact. So does the speed-power curve. In 16 kts you should be able to reach 7-8 kts from a close reach to a broad reach absent heavy seas (swell from storms can be an issue for thousands of miles) or crew that doesn't care.
.. snip

It's how it feels after several days of 35-40kt. Not saying the boat stops on the hole it's making.

[a64pilot]

Originally Posted by Auspicious

I disagree. Individual efforts make a bigger difference. Unplug "stuff." Thermostat adjustments. All those instant-on, remote-controlled devices? Unplug them. Chargers. All the vampire devices. How many chargers do you have plugged in with nothing attached? Caulked your windows in the last few years? Checked insulation in the attic? Plugged airflow around doors, windows, and electrical outlets? What temp is your water heater set to? Heck, just combine errands into a single optimized trip. I recall a study that indicated a 30% reduction in energy consumption is easily attainable by Americans without any more significant impact than putting on a sweater when it is cold.



Government programs are rarely efficient. Remember recycling programs began with grassroots efforts in the 70s, not as government programs.



/rant over.

Couple that with the steady increasing size in houses even as families shrink, along with the fact that they are not built to be energy efficient as size is what sells now and energy efficient is expensive, so if you don’t build efficient you can have more for less.

But a couple could easily reduce their consumption by at least half, ditch the SUV and Pickup truck, drive something efficient and live in a reasonably sized efficient house and you don’t even need to put on a sweater.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by atoll

"As dawn broke we sailed into the Gulf Stream. It got warmer, morale improved and the sun has shined all day. Porridge, cashew yogurt fresh berries and peanut butter - breakfast of champions! It feels like we are on a health food show ........."


" It feels like we are on a health food show ."

and that my foreign friends is classic british middle class understatement!

translated it means ,the food is crap,we need more calories,bacon and eggs,corned beef , beans,,fried potatoes and some of those freeze dried steaks,finished off with treacle duff and custard like we get on the challenge yachts,three times a day,plus snacks and endless tea

it's going to be a long trip on those meagre rations nikki me luv,sorry for your loss
on the bright side becoming a vegan will make you a better person,so i'm told

[atoll]

Originally Posted by a64pilot

Couple that with the steady increasing size in houses even as families shrink, along with the fact that they are not built to be energy efficient as size is what sells now and energy efficient is expensive, so if you don’t build efficient you can have more for less.

But a couple could easily reduce their consumption by at least half, ditch the SUV and Pickup truck, drive something efficient and live in a reasonably sized efficient house and you don’t even need to put on a sweater.

to sell a house in the uk now, all properties require an energy rating inspection which generates a report giving the property an energy rating that has to be included with any sales info regarding the property.