La Vagabonde's crossing

[pcmm]

Originally Posted by jmh2002

They don't have a sailing background. Riley had never sailed before he flew to Europe and bought the Beneteau.

Having a sailing background maybe means that you grew up sailing, for example.

And it's kind of my point, and something quite concerning about the average cruising sailor, that they can have so many sailing miles, ocean miles even, and still not really have a clue about some things and/or keep making basic errors.

They are getting better though. Especially since they got the Outremer.

By your argument you could say that Lin Pardey doesn't have a sailing background. She didn't grow up sailing (other than the occasional annual outing) She didn't start really sailing until she met Larry. Yes they make newbie mistakes, the only difference between them and us is they film it (mistakes and all). How many miles/time oceans crossed does someone need to be sailing to have a background in sailing? Does that moniker opnly apply if you grew up sailing? In which case many many famous sailors don't have a sailing backround. Still they've safely crossed the med, Atlantic (3 times) and the pacific. made stupid mistakes along the way, and dealt with some major issues along the way (major rudder post issue) all successfully

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by pcmm

By your argument you could say that Lin Pardey doesn't have a sailing background. She didn't grow up sailing (other than the occasional annual outing) She didn't start really sailing until she met Larry. Yes they make newbie mistakes, the only difference between them and us is they film it (mistakes and all). How many miles/time oceans crossed does someone need to be sailing to have a background in sailing? Does that moniker opnly apply if you grew up sailing? In which case many many famous sailors don't have a sailing backround. Still they've safely crossed the med, Atlantic (3 times) and the pacific. made stupid mistakes along the way, and dealt with some major issues along the way (major rudder post issue) all successfully

Miles and Beryl Smeeton bought Tzu Hang were they in their mid 40's. They learned to sail on the trip from England to Victoria, British Columbia.

[daletournier]

Originally Posted by boatman61

To the ones saying the 'over 50's have no skin in the game' that may be true..
But many of us do have Genes in the game.. they may be happy to dump on their genes from a great height but others are not.. so sit on that opinion and swivel [emoji3]
As for Riley saying its not recommended.. he's gotten soft on the permanant Milk Run..
W to E is way more fun than downwind 24/7..

I've done hard and I've done easy, call me soft but I'll take easy anyday and everyday, done my 200nm days to weather, much prefer the coconut run type sailing absolutely!!!! just finished lobster and beer on the beach, much better than beating myself and the boat up. Another big 4nm passage tommorow..lol.

[jmh2002]

I'm not sure why you are nitpicking on this?

I simply stated a fact, that they don't have a sailing background so it is to be expected for them to make newbee errors.

Which you also agree that they do still make, even after all these miles and crossings.

That's all. Let's leave it at that.

[senormechanico]

Originally Posted by Cherod

Made up for by the amount of methane you have been spreading around here ,,,and other places

You just can't see the sarcasm from atoll's post. He's making a joke and it's obvious to me.

[smj]

Originally Posted by senormechanico

Another reason for those bad tacking angles on approach, the boat is overloaded.
The waterline of the bottom paint is way under the surface.

It is evident in the video where they are tied up to the dock.

Plenty of waterline showing. You have to look carefully as their bottom paint is a very light grey and blends in with the hull.

[JPA Cate]

It is really common for people doing record attempts and looking for publicity to wait until the pols and media are ready to give them a fine reception. It is the way of today's world. Perhaps we brought it on ourselves by giving people hero's welcomes in the past...

Efforts for publicity sometimes cause poorer seamanship than the skipper would ordinarily exhibit. It strikes me as an extension of the cult of personalities, and it is a personal choice to what extent one wants to be involved.

Ann

[fxykty]

Originally Posted by JPA Cate

It is really common for people doing record attempts and looking for publicity to wait until the pols and media are ready to give them a fine reception. It is the way of today's world. Perhaps we brought it on ourselves by giving people hero's welcomes in the past...

Efforts for publicity sometimes cause poorer seamanship than the skipper would ordinarily exhibit. It strikes me as an extension of the cult of personalities, and it is a personal choice to what extent one wants to be involved.

Ann

And in LV’s case it was more virtue signalling: “Look how dedicated we are to the cause of CC by sailing right to the very end!” The same way they virtue signalled each meal description as “Vegan this, that and the other today! We’re so good at minimising our emissions.”

I guess unlike the crowds at Vendee Globe or Volvo race finishes in the middle of the night the celebrity photographers and CC hangers on don’t want to get up early.

[Auspicious]

Originally Posted by jmh2002

They are getting better though. Especially since they got the Outremer.

You cannot buy judgment, seamanship, or skill.

[ttex]

[Pelagic]

Originally Posted by Auspicious

You cannot buy judgment, seamanship, or skill.

Sure you can,... they are called "professionals"
LoL.... Circle complete![emoji6]

[Boatguy30]

I actually assumed one of the other crew was sometype of professional sailor. Wasn't there a 3rd adult at least. Seems like you'd pay a pro for a stunt like this.

[Breaking Waves]

The other thing easy and worth watching at the moment if you are interested in routing . . . . and passage making boats in general, although the ARC has a somewhat distinctive clientele.

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Allegra is blowing the doors off and Patrizio Bertelli (Ulisse) is probably thinking he needs a new boat - billionaires hate to lose even at casual fun races.

I'm thinking Dockhead might want to take a look at Marsaudon - the French are good at this and their composite work is excellent.

My friend (JP Dick) is doing rather well

Originally Posted by Boatguy30

I actually assumed one of the other crew was some type of professional sailor. Wasn't there a 3rd adult at least. Seems like you'd pay a pro for a stunt like this.

No, as I commented very near the top of the thread - really only 1 1/2 'real sailors' on board at the start - tough work, but a truly excellent learning opportunity for the 1/2, hopefully, he soaked it all up - from the improvement in boat performance and Nikkii's comments
. . . . seems like he must have at least in part .

[Hartings]

I have been lurking here reading what has proven to be a very enlightening thread. What I don’t really understand though is why there is this drip, drip, drip of rather snide denigration of the voyage, the participants and the message that Greta wants to get across. This snideness is very subtle as its done via innuendo and veiled criticisms (which are subsequently denied). Now best encapsulated by the (new) suggestion that you cant be a ‘true’ sailor unless you have done it since you were a kid (and presumably are now a grumpy, old reactionary white man ?). What a load of sanctimonious claptrap. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Before this thread I was relatively unsympathetic towards Greta and her agenda but the small cohort here who seek to undermine the whole enterprise in this somewhat mendacious fashion are actually making me rethink my reservations. I’m not a conspiracy theorist but I really do find it rather disturbing. Sermon over.

[Chotu]

Originally Posted by fxykty

And in LV’s case it was more virtue signalling: “Look how dedicated we are to the cause of CC by sailing right to the very end!” The same way they virtue signalled each meal description as “Vegan this, that and the other today! We’re so good at minimising our emissions.”

I guess unlike the crowds at Vendee Globe or Volvo race finishes in the middle of the night the celebrity photographers and CC hangers on don’t want to get up early.

I think you're on to something here. They did the same coming into NYC this summer. Had escort boats all set up and a little regatta with climate change sails and everything all set up further media event.