How Life has Changed ... Unfortunately

[Andy73]

Originally Posted by K_V_B

I mean, even in Roman times people already complained about mis behaving youngsters, traffic, pollution and how the world couldn't possible feed 60 million people...

Umm... the end of the Roman Empire was also known as the Dark Ages

[captain58sailin]

Cool, then we can look forward to the Black plague?

[David_Old_Jersey]

Originally Posted by captain58sailin

Cool, then we can look forward to the Black plague?

But only hundreds of years later (albeit that depends on when you regard the Roman Empire having ended).

In any event, the dark ages were defined that way only from the ignorance of those who followed - of what they were looking at and where (geographically).

Personally I don't think the capitalistic system is broken, in fact it has never been in better health - but it's just doing what it will always do if treated as master and not servant, eat it's children.


I think the secret will be not to abandon Capitalism (albeit perhaps Capitalism with a human face ) - but instead to count wealth outside the terms of money (the stuff humans print). Indeed the Great Revolution could be about saying to our lords & masters - ok, you can have all the money ......but the peasants are counting our wealth in different ways, mostly around time not spent working (the nobility of work (in the commercial world) is one of the great cons of all time - what humans actually need is a purpose, and that does not have to be working for someone else making things that no one really needs that will quickly be disposed of for another thing that no one really needs).....in ye olden days being a peasant was a 24/7 job, later it went down to 70 hours and then to around 35/40.....but seems to have stuck there for the last 30 years despite massive leaps forward in productivity. No fundamental reason why we could not all by now have everything we need for 7 hours work a week! (by need I mean food, a home and the leisure toys to enjoy all that free time), and for those who do want to work longer hours a week gathering printed bits of paper called money for more, bigger and shinier toys - then let them .

It's not socialism - it's DOJism .

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by David_Old_Jersey

But only hundreds of years later (albeit that depends on when you regard the Roman Empire having ended).

In any event, the dark ages were defined that way only from the ignorance of those who followed - of what they were looking at and where (geographically).

Personally I don't think the capitalistic system is broken, in fact it has never been in better health - but it's just doing what it will always do if treated as master and not servant, eat it's children.


I think the secret will be not to abandon Capitalism (albeit perhaps Capitalism with a human face ) - but instead to count wealth outside the terms of money (the stuff humans print). Indeed the Great Revolution could be about saying to our lords & masters - ok, you can have all the money ......but the peasants are counting our wealth in different ways, mostly around time not spent working (the nobility of work (in the commercial world) is one of the great cons of all time - what humans actually need is a purpose, and that does not have to be working for someone else making things that no one really needs that will quickly be disposed of for another thing that no one really needs).....in ye olden days being a peasant was a 24/7 job, later it went down to 70 hours and then to around 35/40.....but seems to have stuck there for the last 30 years despite massive leaps forward in productivity. No fundamental reason why we could not all by now have everything we need for 7 hours work a week! (by need I mean food, a home and the leisure toys to enjoy all that free time), and for those who do want to work longer hours a week gathering printed bits of paper called money for more, bigger and shinier toys - then let them .

It's not socialism - it's DOJism .

You do realise you've just mind bonked 75% of those here with this... lucid as it maybe...

[zeehag]

capitalism is great--but the addition of fascist tendencies kinda kills the feeling of good involved....


dark ages--prolly another one coming---especially considering the things folk are believing are political topics --- which are actually only totally personal things....

concur with doj and boaty.....

[David_Old_Jersey]

Originally Posted by zeehag

capitalism is great--but the addition of fascist tendencies kinda kills the feeling of good involved....


dark ages--prolly another one coming---especially considering the things folk are believing are political topics --- which are actually only totally personal things....

concur with doj and boaty.....

Under DOJism there will be no War on Vaginas .

Indeed, the motto for that side of things will be stolen from the hippies in the 60's (obscure reference for Moderator reasons ).

[zeehag]

nothing wrong with hippies...

nothing at all......

[zeehag]

Originally Posted by captain58sailin

Cool, then we can look forward to the Black plague?

not black plague to be worrying about---what will come will shame that wimpy illness.....





lol my turn to post whore......seems to be new trend here....might as well join in the fun....

[captain58sailin]

Yes, I know when the black plague started. I was just hoping for a bit of population reduction. I too realize the irony of trading large chunks of my life for bits of green paper. I believe that you are on to something. I submit that time should be the most valued commodity, in that case I will trade one hour out of my life for a 65' Oyster.

[Wrong]

Wow! The recent posts feature is cool! I never realized threads like this were on Cruisers Forum. Tell ya what tho.

Even with a degree in Poly Sci., I'm staying out of this!

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by captain58sailin

Yes, I know when the black plague started. I was just hoping for a bit of population reduction. I too realize the irony of trading large chunks of my life for bits of green paper. I believe that you are on to something. I submit that time should be the most valued commodity, in that case I will trade one hour out of my life for a 65' Oyster.

Damn.... I am cheap...
I was thinking 8 hours for an 80's Hunter Cherubini 37c....

[Saltyhog]

Originally Posted by David_Old_Jersey

But only hundreds of years later (albeit that depends on when you regard the Roman Empire having ended).

In any event, the dark ages were defined that way only from the ignorance of those who followed - of what they were looking at and where (geographically).

Personally I don't think the capitalistic system is broken, in fact it has never been in better health - but it's just doing what it will always do if treated as master and not servant, eat it's children.


I think the secret will be not to abandon Capitalism (albeit perhaps Capitalism with a human face ) - but instead to count wealth outside the terms of money (the stuff humans print). Indeed the Great Revolution could be about saying to our lords & masters - ok, you can have all the money ......but the peasants are counting our wealth in different ways, mostly around time not spent working (the nobility of work (in the commercial world) is one of the great cons of all time - what humans actually need is a purpose, and that does not have to be working for someone else making things that no one really needs that will quickly be disposed of for another thing that no one really needs).....in ye olden days being a peasant was a 24/7 job, later it went down to 70 hours and then to around 35/40.....but seems to have stuck there for the last 30 years despite massive leaps forward in productivity. No fundamental reason why we could not all by now have everything we need for 7 hours work a week! (by need I mean food, a home and the leisure toys to enjoy all that free time), and for those who do want to work longer hours a week gathering printed bits of paper called money for more, bigger and shinier toys - then let them .

It's not socialism - it's DOJism .

WOW!!! DOJ and I agree about something. *That's* the mind bonk

[captain58sailin]

Well, asking and getting are two different critters. You never know how far a frog will jump until you poke him!

[zeehag]

i has my frog--now i gotta make the bastid jump--have boat--repairing as i need--oops-- see fit....
rodlmao....
mebbe if i kiss the sukker he will turn into a prince...oh forgot i am not a princess..lol

life is actually better in some ways--i have a boat and i am in a good locale--too bad you arent me..oops did i say that out loud....

there is fresh ripe fruit, simpler life, and awesome peacefulness here...that, i believe is an improvement on most of the bs in regular normal daily living in usa.

besides i didnt like the naybores much, most of time....lol


btw--doj is smart.

[David_Old_Jersey]

Originally Posted by Saltyhog

WOW!!! DOJ and I agree about something. *That's* the mind bonk

"When Alexander saw the breadth of his domain, he wept for there were no more worlds to conquer".