Aftermarket parts from China can be a very good deal

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

Taiwan is part of China, check the history


At the end of WW2 Japan was kicked out of Taiwan and the US gave it back to China
The US recognises the one China policy and recognises Taiwan is part of China.

How many boomerangs does Australia need to go to war with China?

3... and a Didgeridoo...

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by boatman61

That's where Volvo made their profits, cheap engines, expensive replacement parts.

I think that’s true of all engines by and large or anything with “ Marine” stamped on it.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

I think that’s true of all engines by and large or anything with “ Marine” stamped on it.

That's why I shop at tractor sales/maintaince garages..
My last boat had a John Deere engine and there's a garage halfway between Coimbra and Fig da Foz where I used to buy all my bits like filters and even John Deere engine oil at €12.75 a 5 litre jug..
Screw the marina gangsters..

[Emmalina]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

Yep, I get most of our stuff from China, big savings indeed.

Best one to date was end cap gaskets for our 855 Cummins
Wanted 10 of them as they are cardboard and tear when removing

Cummins Australia wanted $365 each plus Freight so over $3600 and would take several weeks to arrive.
Cummins China sent 10 by air, here in under a week for $90 total.
Their's are rubber so won't tear anyway.

Use Hylomar on them and you will be able to reuse them !

[geoleo]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

Geography not your strong suit?
Canada 4000 approx
NZ 5000 miles approx

About 35% of all new BMW parts come from China -- ditto VW

[paralog]

Originally Posted by Sailor Sailor

One should distinguish between the different parts of China, and between the people and their government.

On August 1, I ordered two impellers on eBay from a seller in Taiwan - Boat Propeller. I received them August 4th by FedEx, with a gift of a floating key chain, a panda key chain, and two latex gloves. The price was about average.

Sorry, I do not get that kind of service from most American retailers. I feel lucky to receive goods within a week or so, if that fast.

I have to agree about service. I went to my local marine store, a young female who probably does not know the difference between a screw and an anchor informs me they do not have the part i asked for and was not bothered to look through the 3 ft stack of catalogues within arms reach. I am finding this is happening more often in retail stores.
I went home spent 10 minutes online and got the part, not from china this time.

[Bowdrie]

I had a side gig restoring>reselling old US made Delta stationary power tools, (table saws/jointers).
I quickly learned to never buy Chinese ball bearings.
Several failures occurred during short test runs, (galling/overheating).
With a friend at a Harbor Fright store; he says to the manager, "You need 3 driveways, one for pick-ups, 2 for returns".
They're not too bad with things like hammers and anvils, you know, stuff without moving parts.

[Uncle Bob]

Originally Posted by Bowdrie

I had a side gig restoring>reselling old US made Delta stationary power tools, (table saws/jointers).
I quickly learned to never buy Chinese ball bearings.
Several failures occurred during short test runs, (galling/overheating).
With a friend at a Harbor Fright store; he says to the manager, "You need 3 driveways, one for pick-ups, 2 for returns".
They're not too bad with things like hammers and anvils, you know, stuff without moving parts.

Ditto on the chinese bearings, my go to are those made in Japan.

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by Bowdrie

I had a side gig restoring>reselling old US made Delta stationary power tools, (table saws/jointers).
I quickly learned to never buy Chinese ball bearings.
Several failures occurred during short test runs, (galling/overheating).
With a friend at a Harbor Fright store; he says to the manager, "You need 3 driveways, one for pick-ups, 2 for returns".
They're not too bad with things like hammers and anvils, you know, stuff without moving parts.

I bought something bad from the US once therefore everything from there is crap.:

You do realise that cars, engines, pumps , washing machines and a myriad of other things made in China that you likely use daily have moving parts in them right?

[TPG]

I've never used knock-off engine parts before, but I have used some other "cheap" items from China that I've been very happy with.

Ordered some LED lights from Amazon for my cabin that were $20 compared to $80 for similar ones from marine suppliers. Added some additional epoxy to some of the contacts to improve corrosion resistance and they have performed flawlessly.

[Carl-T705]

Oh no , you're not going to throw in facts in a forum post .... Well OK

[Carl-T705]

Volvo made profits.... When did that happen??? Doesn't China own them now??

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Carl-T705

Volvo made profits.... When did that happen??? Doesn't China own them now??

AB Volvo or Volvo Group doesn’t own the car brands, Volvo Penta is part of Volvo group , along with trucks , construction equipment etc

It’s a publically listed company on Nasdaq Stockholm

“The Volvo Group continued to perform well in Q2 2022 with strong growth and improved profitability. We increased our net sales by 31% to SEK 118.9 billion with good momentum both in the sales of vehicles and in the service business. The adjusted operating income rose to SEK 13.7 billion (9.7) and we achieved an adjusted operating margin of 11.6% (10.7). Also in this quarter, we have had extra costs related to supply chain disruptions as well as higher costs for material and have continued to work proactively and successfully with price management to mitigate these effects. Our return on capital employed reached 26.8% (23.4),” says Martin Lundstedt, President and CEO.”

[parkstone bay]

In a different world, when I was still working, I had to source an extremely high-quality component. The ONLY global supplier was based in China.
So, I suggest the answer is "some Chinese-origin product is of international-standard quality, some is not".

[lestersails]

Originally Posted by parkstone bay

In a different world, when I was still working, I had to source an extremely high-quality component. The ONLY global supplier was based in China.
So, I suggest the answer is "some Chinese-origin product is of international-standard quality, some is not".

Yes on this post. Some of the stuff made there is absolutely top shelf quality, no doubt about it. Some of the stuff there is total crap. The problem is how to tell the difference. The easiest way to tell is if it is marketed via a reputable US/Euro/Japanese entity. But it'll cost you.
Several people have said that some product is "made in the same factory". OK, fine, so how does that work? Good US/Euro/Japanese manufacturers that manufacture off site will absolutely not allow this to happen. Two ways it can still happen. 1) what you are buying is the stuff that fails the QC of the US/Euro contracting company. 2) surreptitious production - illegal operations that set up extra production runs and smuggle the stuff out*. But of course the most likely scenario is that it is not actually made in the same factory.
It costs a huge amount of money to do robust QC.
It costs a huge amount of money to do good customer support.
It costs a huge amount of money to accept returns and replace defective items.
I could go on...

If you need none of those kinds of QC and support, and what you are buying is not essential or critical to anything you are doing, and you are happy to pay for or do the install labor if it fails early, buying cheap Chinese stuff from untested/unknown vendors is perfectly reasonable. If all of those things are not the case - pay up and buy the legit product.



*A few years back my son bought a 'refurbished' iPad from a Chinese vendor. Screen broke. Took it to Apple and they said "This is not an Apple iPad." Apple logos, serial number, software, the whole nine yards. Impressive, but not quite impressive enough.