John Vigor's 'The Offshore Seaworthy Sailboat'

[clockwork orange]

Thanks Newt,the questionaire that the OP posted dosnt have the actual questions for Midsection or keel, just a lot of computer nonsense.
I was at the Chicago Strictly sail show last month and went to a seminar by john Kretschmer reviewing 20 offshore sailboats,mostly boats that he had actually sailed more than 1000 miles including a few multihulls,he definatly has a preference for moderate sailboats,not a big fan of full keel boats.
Steve.

[s/v Beth]

Sorry guys a little brain dead yesterday. As I look at the OP, your question makes perfect sense.
Midsection: slack bilges, V shaped hull narrow hull =1, fuller bilges with rounding about waterline and wider hull=3, finally planning hull with teardrop keel =5
Keel: full with cutout forward =1, Partial with skeg and rudder attached =3 Fin with isolated rudder=10 (ie modern Bene)

[CharlieCobra]

Interesting. Oh Joy scores a 59.

[Stillraining]

Did you figure in open decks..

[Svanen]

Pete, you might like Tor Pinney's Ready for Sea: How to Outfit the Modern Cruising Sailboat and Prepare Your Vessel and Yourself for Extended Passagemaking and Living Aboard (2002).

[Eleven]

My boat, with me, rated around 40. It's just not right!

[s/v Beth]

No PPS (proud prout sailor) a lower score is better....like golf.

[Stillraining]

My boat scored 99...( 102 with the missing keel info..I have the book)

Guess Ill go tackel the Horn as is....NOT!

[Pete7]

Originally Posted by Svanen

Pete, you might like Tor Pinney's Ready for Sea: How to Outfit the Modern Cruising Sailboat and Prepare Your Vessel and Yourself for Extended Passagemaking and Living Aboard (2002).

Svanen, thanks, read that one last year on the way to the Carribean, only I was about 35,000 feet doing 500 mph at the time, it is a long way from the United States of Europe

[Pete7]

Originally Posted by s/v Beth

Pete- another book I like to read about seaworthy boats is the first edition "Used Boat Notebook" By Kretschemer. ...

Newt, thanks off to Amazon to find a second hand copy.

Originally Posted by s/v Beth

I use the sailnet reviews for owner information, and if I am really interested I try to find out how many of them have sailed offshore for extended periods of time. It turned out well, I really love and trust my Valiant...

Me too, when I saw JV had 15,000 miles it didn't seem much when other authors were claiming 75,000. However it was good read and comletely different from previous books.

Tried the latest version of Heavy Weather Sailing, but put it down and couldn't get back into it.

Pete

[s/v Beth]

Pete,(and others) if you get down to a final few list, put it up on the CF and see what happens. A lot of experience around here, and a lot of us have been down the same path of finding a seaworthy boat.

[Pete7]

Originally Posted by s/v Beth

Pete,(and others) if you get down to a final few list, put it up on the CF and see what happens. A lot of experience around here, and a lot of us have been down the same path of finding a seaworthy boat.

Are you sure that's a good idea

Okay, we are planning to cross the Atlantic in a Moody 31 with inmast reefing and bilge keels

Now, before everyone jumps in and says you can't, the rationale goes like this.

1. We already have the boat.
2. We love her to bits.
3. SWMBO suggested it, not me.
3. We add a little each year, hence my queries on WMs & Twizzle rigs.
4. If we use this boat I might be able to retire early.
5. I don't like 60/70s long keel yachts.
6. Brand loyality is important, I am Treasurer of a Moody Branch.
7. Finally, a refreshing comment by our insurers Pantenious, who said we would rather see a husband and wife team in 31 feet which is manageable by one on watch, doing crossing with the ARC rather than 45 ft on their own.

Pete

[Svanen]

Pete, certainly you can cross the Atlantic with your Moody.

John Ridgway and Chay Blyth both ultimately decided that their 30' bilge keelers were not up to the demands of the Southern Ocean. However, they managed to sail singlehanded to Recife and East London, respectively.


FWIW, I think don't think much of your rationale #6, but the remainder of your list makes sense (especially #1 and #2).

[boatgearguy]

Definitely a great read, very thorough. I was struck by the differing opinion with the Pardey's on heavy weather tactics. BTW, the book is available in a Kindle edition for under $10. (I read it on my Android phone)

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[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by Pete7

Are you sure that's a good idea

Okay, we are planning to cross the Atlantic in a Moody 31 with inmast reefing and bilge keels

Now, before everyone jumps in and says you can't, the rationale goes like this.

1. We already have the boat.
2. We love her to bits.
3. SWMBO suggested it, not me.
3. We add a little each year, hence my queries on WMs & Twizzle rigs.
4. If we use this boat I might be able to retire early.
5. I don't like 60/70s long keel yachts.
6. Brand loyality is important, I am Treasurer of a Moody Branch.
7. Finally, a refreshing comment by our insurers Pantenious, who said we would rather see a husband and wife team in 31 feet which is manageable by one on watch, doing crossing with the ARC rather than 45 ft on their own.

Pete

You are crazy, Pete. I'm not too surprised, however, since this is coming from the same guy who used to cross the English Channel in a RIB (if I am correctly remembering the story) . . .

No, but actually, you will be perfectly fine. Your bilge keels will be no big disadvantage on that passage since it's pretty much all downwind.

A Moody 31 is more seaworthy than 40+ foot boats of many other makers. And anyway, the milk run with the trades carries very little risk of heavy weather. The conditions are much less challenging than what you sail in at home. It's nothing remotely like the English Channel. They say if you can sail in the English Channel, you can sail anywhere -- it's true.

You'll be quite all right. Need an extra crew?