America’s Cup - ETNZ launches 1st AC75 (new)

[jmh2002]

Originally Posted by CassidyNZ

Interesting perspective.
My question is how far can a team go building up penalties before they get “black flagged”? At one point LRPP were hundreds of meters outside the boundary. Is it OK to say “we’ve got a penalty anyway, let’s make the best of it”?

Yes I've mentioned before that I think they need to have another look at the penalty system for the next cup and some of the expert commentators have expressed some doubts at times too.

Even if it's not so egregious as being way outside the course we often see that the 50m penalties are cleared not so much by the actions of the penalised boat, but by the fact that the leading boat is sailing well and extending. It doesn't take much to get 50m ahead.

That doesn't really seem like a penalty to me.

So we have seen numerous times when boats are behind they just don't care about incurring penalties because they are behind anyway...

Maybe it doesn't change anything in the big scheme of things since the lead boat normally continues to lead and win, but I could see an example where, like yesterday's snakes and ladders race, we have lead changes.

LR cleared their penalties by ETNZ sailing away. If later, ETNZ where off their foils again (by a maneuvering error) and were caught by LR, and it ended up very close at the finish, then I think somehow LR should still have penalties (from infractions) to clear by their own actions, not by the other boat's maneuvering error.

Does that make sense?

[jmh2002]

A couple of goof videos from Mozzy Sails dissecting the last two races, discussing LR's bad tack that caused them to come off the foils (Jimmy went against Bruni's call of no less than 28kn through the tack), the new found speed and manuevers from ETNZ, as well as even covering what I mention above regarding the penalties (but explaining it better than I did! )



https://www.youtube.com/c/MozzySails/videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du3VD1P7wl4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUG93wgw7Qc

[jmh2002]

And here's a diagram explaining what ETNZ are doing with 'canting out their leeward foil' and 'heeling the boat over before roll tacking'.

Basically they are orientated the wing more vertically in the water, to actually provide lateral resistance through the turns - because these boats slide sideways quite a lot, especially at the bottom mark.

Who knew that an AC75 could have an old fashioned 'lee board'

[jmh2002]

America's Cup: Luna Rossa warned after 'disqualification' scale tactic

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/americ...n-scale-tactic

The regatta director Iain Murray said the umpires would tell both teams today that “boundaries are boundaries.”

“It probably erred on the generous side, in not disqualifying for going out that distance,” Murray said in the mid-morning weather briefing on Tuesday.

[MicHughV]

well, it's down to the wire now....LR has got to pick up it's skirts or go home.

Pissing and moaning about something or another has little reference. Both competitors have to deal with the same race course. You play the cards as you see fit.

You could argue that ETNZ, got " lucky" but there is more to this tale than that.

I'm wondering if the " dual" helmsman" idea on LR is helpful, there seems to be a discord here, somehow or another ?? My way or your way....???

[Pelagic]

Originally Posted by jmh2002

America's Cup: Luna Rossa warned after 'disqualification' scale tactic

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/americ...n-scale-tactic

The regatta director Iain Murray said the umpires would tell both teams today that “boundaries are boundaries.”

“It probably erred on the generous side, in not disqualifying for going out that distance,” Murray said in the mid-morning weather briefing on Tuesday.

Just hope today isn't decided by a penalty

[jmh2002]

The SW breeze has started to fill in. It's already an average of 10kn gusting 15kn at Bean Rock lighthouse which is right at Course C (the stadium course off North Head) - and it's only 1430.

Should be good conditions for racing if this continues

[jmh2002]

Admittedly, Bean Rock Lighthouse is quite tall so it's probably over reporting a bit, but so far there is even more solid breeze - 14kn average / 16kn peak.

[fxykty]

Originally Posted by jmh2002

America's Cup: Luna Rossa warned after 'disqualification' scale tactic



https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/americ...n-scale-tactic



The regatta director Iain Murray said the umpires would tell both teams today that “boundaries are boundaries.”



“It probably erred on the generous side, in not disqualifying for going out that distance,” Murray said in the mid-morning weather briefing on Tuesday.

Damn straight the referees erred in not calling a professional foul on LRPP with mandatory disqualification - it should be a rule 69 issue for the race committee. Since LRPP lost the race despite the foul it didn’t get called as no redress needed. Hopefully the referees will penalise properly from now on.

[dfelsent]

15 minute delay , likely to let the breeze direction stabilize. Says Dean Barker

[Pelagic]

Why would they choose a more sensitive course , subject to wind angle delays for world coverage,
rather than just let the sailors race on a more stable course?

[jmh2002]

Yes this course can be more shifty, but the delay is not so much because of this course, but because of the 'new' breeze settling in this afternoon.

This morning it was Light and Variable and somewhere around the Northerly quadrant.

The forecast was for a change to the North West, West and then South West this afternoon and that breeze started coming in around 1400, ie: approximately 2 hours ago.

I've been watching Bean Rock Lighthouse reports (updates every 5mins) and from what I see it's been steady between 264-269 deg for the last hour or more.

But they are also still expecting it to go 50 deg left or so, to the true South West breeze.

Currently 17kn gusting 20kn.

Also, on the other side of the island at Manukau Heads (to the West where the breeze is coming from) it's still 253 deg too. I think racing will start soon and then there will be a delay for the second race to wait for the South Westerly.

[fxykty]

Delays due to major shifts on course C. Plenty of breeze 12-14 knots but more W than the expected SW.

[Pelagic]

Great battle

[Scotty Kiwi]

Barkin Bell - It's a race! 1 second in it at the first mark. Three? lead changes on leg 2! LR forced Burling out behind the 2nd mark. TNZ 8 seconds behind in rounding. TNZ caught up 2 seconds on leg 3. Now the wind's getting shiftier and puffier.