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Pelagic · 15-03-2021, 21:54

Race abandoned ....
Was it just the weather or because of the course choice ?

fxykty · 15-03-2021, 21:54

Forecast NE 10-15 knots for tomorrow

jmh2002 · 15-03-2021, 21:57

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Originally Posted by Pelagic

Race abandoned ....
Was it just the weather or because of the course choice ?

Weather.

Not sure if you read my earlier posts.

The breeze is going left, around to the SW and they only have until 1800 to relay the course, meet the wind limits (strength and direction) and get the race started.

And they couldn't do that.

CassidyNZ · 16-03-2021, 00:18

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Does that make sense?

Totally. To me there should be time penalties for a simple “accidental” infraction but when a boat deliberately goes way off base to set themselves up after they screwed up has got to have tougher sanction.

For example, when LRPP went a couple of 100 metres outside the boundary, what would have been the penalty if they’d got up on the foils out there then got an exceptionally good angle on the next track to the opposite boundary. They would have shed the sanction as you say, due the other boat’s performance and now have an advantage that could be capitalised on if the other boat dropped off the foils.

I think it was Martin Tasker who in the press conference mentioned the extreme option of a boat being “black flagged” for a deliberate, serious “professional foul”. Problem of course is who decides? Tricky questions.

I may be mistaken but I’m sure I heard somewhere in the discussions after the race that the officials had noted that LRPP had finished that race still carrying a double penalty. Remember San Francisco when Oracle got a 2-race deficit handed to them in the LV regatta to carry forward into the AC?

CassidyNZ · 16-03-2021, 00:42

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Originally Posted by Pelagic

Why didn't LR cover at that last upwind split when they were ahead?

The way I saw it was that LRPP were not far enough ahead to cross in front of ETNZ, tack on the other side of them and still stay in front. ETNZ would have just blasted past them. They were simply too close and they could not cover from there so they decided to head for opposite layline. They wouldn’t have seen the wind shift and extra pressure that ETNZ saw.

Pelagic · 16-03-2021, 01:44

That makes sense..
Race for the ages !

MicHughV · 16-03-2021, 07:53

LR seems to be making some bad tactical decisions....I'm wondering what part their dual " helmsman" approach plays into this..

fxykty · 16-03-2021, 13:35

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LR seems to be making some bad tactical decisions....I'm wondering what part their dual " helmsman" approach plays into this..

On what do you base that observation? In fact, it’s been acknowledged that they’re actually doing very well with their twin helm setup, particularly at starts and for staying in phase with wind changes.

Bruni directly answered that his decision to tack and protect the left turned out to be wrong, but based on the information he had at the time that he would do it again. The right shift and increased breeze was not visible at the point of the cross and he said he saw a hole ahead, plus was thinking of the expected left swing of the wind, hence the tack. They did have room to cross, but chose not to and tacked on top of TNZ. TNZ have shown that they won’t live in dirty air and tacked away immediately.

Burling hasn’t said that he preferred the right nor that he expected the shift. He did talk a lot about local knowledge and of having sailed in the area throughout his youth. Mind games I think.

jmh2002 · 16-03-2021, 14:02

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Bruni directly answered that his decision to tack and protect the left turned out to be wrong, but based on the information he had at the time that he would do it again. The right shift and increased breeze was not visible at the point of the cross and he said he saw a hole ahead, plus was thinking of the expected left swing of the wind, hence the tack

Sometimes what seems right ends up wrong, that's yacht racing

Those of us watching from home are fortunate to have both an aerial view of the course from the helicopter as well as the Virtual Eye data from both boats to base our suggested tactical calls on.

The sailors onboard don't have either of those things.

Sailing these boats requires far more 'real sailing' than many people think. The suggestion that it's all done by computer isn't really correct.

We can't see the onboard action in the same way anymore, and yes it's what they do for a living, but trust me, all those guys have had a huge physical and mental workout over the last few days.

F1 drivers also often get out of the cars exhausted too. Driving an F1 car actually requires enormous physical and mental fitness. And yet to us it seems that they just sit there and turn the steering wheel...

thomm225 · 16-03-2021, 14:58

The good news is Team Emirates New Zealand got a Champion Beach Cat Racer (Glen Ashby from Australia) on the team to make sure they could really compete!

Compass790 · 16-03-2021, 15:49

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The good news is Team Emirates New Zealand got a Champion Beach Cat Racer (Glen Ashby from Australia) on the team to make sure they could really compete!

We are just helping out our otherwise unemployed cobbers from across the ditch since Aus can't even mount a challenge

Pelagic · 16-03-2021, 16:04

Why is it that Australia hasn't got back into this?

Compass790 · 16-03-2021, 16:21

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Why is it that Australia hasn't got back into this?

IIRC, their last challenge sunk without a trace ( San Diego )

**Wotname** · 16-03-2021, 16:32

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Why is it that Australia hasn't got back into this?

We did our bit back in 83. It took a hundred years of (collective) effort to prise the AC away from the NYYC.

It was exhausting and we are not sitting on our laurels, we are just taking a well earned breather - a smoko break if you like!

Meanwhile we don' t mind if others want to have a play on the field. Our Kiwi cousin brothers are most welcome to have a go; crikey we even sent of our better sailors over the ditch to have a go on the boats. Just the Aussie way, lend a hand and keep current all at the same time.