Buying Boat Gear Just Got More Expensive

[dwedeking2]

The fact that as a consumer, in the short term, you may have to pay sales tax on some purchases that are done over state/country lines is a minor issue.



The major issue is that the compliance costs for small and micro businesses will make it too costly to do business with consumers that require a lot of paperwork/bookkeeping effort. This doesn't affect the large sellers (West Marine, Amazon etc). As a consumer you'll see a shrinkage in selection of vendors, this will really hurt for those unique items that boat people like that are manufactured in small quantities and not carried by the larger retailers (custom tables, canvas work etc).

[zeehag]

meh i avoid all that tax bs by buying mexican via mexican worker. no gringo tax no duty no bs. cheaper when nearest to port of entry for shipping. no mail issues no shipping issues and no bs issues. the items are made in usa anyway, and with taxes(duties) already paid it works out in my favor

[Colin A]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

I don’t know your laws, but in Canada that would called illegal. Sounds like your Supreme Court just affirmed the obvious.

The new Trump trade war is what’s really going to increase the prices of all things boaty.

To clarify this, In the US the rule was on where the tax was collected. In general the seller has to collect the tax and pay the govt. When the seller shipped something to another state there was a question on whether they still had to collect the tax, or if the state it was shipped to was required to go after the buyer (depending on local laws.) So several decades ago the court decided that the seller only needed to collect the tax if there was a nexus in the state (usually a physical warehouse office etc) if not then the state with the buyer could request the buyer pay it. (same for driving across state lines and picking it up) But in reality states rarely even attempted this because it would be a logistical nightmare.

The new court ruling says that states can force any seller in the US to collect taxes on any item shipped into their state even if they have no nexus. So kind of a big change.

[Alberg30Shill]

Originally Posted by deblen

Wow! Collecting & handling taxes is a major industry isn't it.


Isn't encouraging small business & competition supposed to be a cornerstone of free enterprise?


We are getting very close to a very few "big guys" owning it all.
Sounds a lot like the end result of socialism. / Len

A few big guys owning everything is the end result of capitalism. The Merriam Webster Dictionary definition of Socialism shows that Socialism can be a structure used to keep wealth from concentrating in to a few big guys hands...

"In the many years since socialism entered English around 1830, it has acquired several different meanings. It refers to a system of social organization in which private property and the distribution of income are subject to social control, but the conception of that control has varied, and the term has been interpreted in widely diverging ways"

[Captain Bill]

It will be interesting to see how this works out. I sometimes make internet purchases from within my home state and get charged sales tax. The problem is how is that handled now, because Sales tax varies even within a state depending on location. In Florida the base state rate is 6% then counties have local options as well as special taxing districts. In my home county we gave a 1% plus a .5% special tax for a total of 7.5%. Yet as far as I know the only option I have to pay "use" tax is to send it to the state at the 6% rate. When I get charged in state sales tax it seems I get charged at the rate determined by the location of the business I'm buying from, not the state rate or my local rate. If I buy something in a lower taxing county at retail the seller does not ask me where I live and adjust their tax rate accordingly, though from this ruling it would appear that they should. I also doubt that they remit any money to my home county. The whole system would break down if they were required to do so. Obviously basing the collection of taxes to each of the 14,000 taxing entities is totally unworkable and state legislatures that wish to impose this requirement are going to have to work out a single rate and a single place to remit those taxes. We have the ruling, now we will see if they can get the law worked out.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Alberg30Shill

A few big guys owning everything is the end result of capitalism. The Merriam Webster Dictionary definition of Socialism shows that Socialism can be a structure used to keep wealth from concentrating in to a few big guys hands...

"In the many years since socialism entered English around 1830, it has acquired several different meanings. It refers to a system of social organization in which private property and the distribution of income are subject to social control, but the conception of that control has varied, and the term has been interpreted in widely diverging ways"

Never has been a pure capitalist country, nor a pure socialist one for that matter. Workable systems, like the one found in all Western countries including the USA, is combination of the two.

When things get out of balance, the system falls apart as I think we’re seeing in too many Western countries right now. Revolutions usually come along to fix it though .

[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Revolutions usually come along to fix it though .

And those Revolutions Dont' result in increased freedom, but less.

Venezuela.....ya....socialism has been a treat because those familiar with History know that Socialism is just a step on the road to Communism/Fascism. To the uneducated, in particular the voters in New York that just nominated a Socialist as their candidate, they think that socialism leads to greater income equality, however at the cost of personal freedom....no thanks.

You Yacht Owners are all the Evil 1%-ers Remember...before touting and promoting an economic system that would look to take away what you have because it's Not Fair to the 99%.

[Alberg30Shill]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

And those Revolutions Dont' result in increased freedom, but less.

Venezuela.....ya....socialism has been a treat because those familiar with History know that Socialism is just a step on the road to Communism/Fascism. To the uneducated, in particular the voters in New York that just nominated a Socialist as their candidate, they think that socialism leads to greater income equality, however at the cost of personal freedom....no thanks.

You Yacht Owners are all the Evil 1%-ers Remember...before touting and promoting an economic system that would look to take away what you have because it's Not Fair to the 99%.

You sound like someone who's whole concept of Socialism is defined by what you have been told by US corporate media.

[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by Alberg30Shill

You sound like someone who's whole concept of Socialism is defined by what you have been told by US corporate media.

Na....haven't had a TV in 25yrs to even watch the Fake News....but nice try....

I won't say what you "sound like" because I would rather debate ideas than attack people, unlike the Socialists and their Brown Shirts. What's Old is New Again when you don't know History.

[zeehag]

Originally Posted by Alberg30Shill

You sound like someone who's whole concept of Socialism is defined by what you have been told by US corporate media.

ohmy we sooo desperately NEED a laughing icon ...

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Alberg30Shill

You sound like someone who's whole concept of Socialism is defined by what you have been told by US corporate media.

Don’t worry about Third. There are many people on this forum who are worth discussing things with. And then there are folks like Third.

Don’t even bother. Waste of time.

[daletournier]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Don’t worry about Third. There are many people on this forum who are worth discussing things with. And then there are folks like Third.

Don’t even bother. Waste of time.

That's abit harsh Mike? He has different beliefs than you, that's OK, right? Debate is good.

[daletournier]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Never has been a pure capitalist country, nor a pure socialist one for that matter. Workable systems, like the one found in all Western countries including the USA, is combination of the two.

When things get out of balance, the system falls apart as I think we’re seeing in too many Western countries right now. Revolutions usually come along to fix it though .

Agree with all of the above. I'm not actually sure what our current systems are, they aren't true capitalism, some sort of quazi capitalist socialist mix. But for sure, there seems to be some serious social unrest brewing around the world.

[Singularity]

Most every (but not all) state/province/country in the world is in the red ink, or, in the black ink only because they've taken out loans for the grandkids to somehow repay.

So today we enjoy our roads, Coast Guard, then bitch because the state is going to charge $2.31 in sales tax for a dog pillow we bought on Amazon, not concerned that it was built by slave labor in an eco-disaster zone, or that we're handing over $17 to a middleman who bought it for $2.80. But we're cool with the roads today, grandkids pay thing. Just making sure I got this straight.

[daletournier]

Originally Posted by Singularity

Most every (but not all) state/province/country in the world is in the red ink, or, in the black ink only because they've taken out loans for the grandkids to somehow repay.

So today we enjoy our roads, Coast Guard, then bitch because the state is going to charge $2.31 in sales tax for a dog pillow we bought on Amazon, not concerned that it was built by slave labor in an eco-disaster zone, or that we're handing over $17 to a middleman who bought it for $2.80. But we're cool with the roads today, grandkids pay thing. Just making sure I got this straight.

It's a little more complicated. The amount of taxes may not be nessacary if countries managed their finances as if they were a private company that could go broke. Major inefficiency and waste of tax dollars dosent get fixed by more taxes. 800 billion in military spending!!

The Ponzi scheme of credit is nothing more than" bringing tommorows prosperity to now", and unfortunately future generations will pay the cost.