"Everyone is buying boats'"during the pandemic, and it's causing a short supply

[smj]

Originally Posted by barnakiel

There are still people here who remember Eisenhower? Really? Congratulations.


I suggest you buy yourself a ticket to Finland or Sweden, go have a look, then come back and tell us what you think about socialism.


You are at CF? You have a boat? Why not sail it for once, visit some places and see what it is like THERE. Some clearly never had.



Eisenhower. Communist manifesto. Ignorant arguments based in endlessly repeated slogans.



barnakiel

Finland and Sweden.........you mean the 2 countries that have some of the happiest citizens in the world?

[Dragon Lady]

Sweden is happy? I thought that they were a basket case after they let COVID 19 run unchecked through their community. If you are looking for cheap boats try Australia we have plenty. Just allow 2 weeks to isolate in a hotel at your expense if you want to inspect it.

[smj]

Originally Posted by Dragon Lady

Sweden is happy? I thought that they were a basket case after they let COVID 19 run unchecked through their community. If you are looking for cheap boats try Australia we have plenty. Just allow 2 weeks to isolate in a hotel at your expense if you want to inspect it.

Sweden’s was ranked 7th as the country with the happiest citizens.
Yes, I think Sweden dropped the ball on the virus.

[Srfnsnw100]

Originally Posted by mikedefieslife

I know of someone listing a boat here in the ABCs, it sold within a week.

On a similar note. If anyone wants to buy a Prout Snowgoose 35 in Curacao, give me a shout. - semi serious

Hi, we were looking at buying a Prout but are shying away after a broker friend told us to stay away from them. We also heard they are prone to leaks into the cabin and everything attached to the boat will leak eventually. We rather have a Cat but they are pricey for our budget. What are your thoughts on Prouts?

[MicHughV]

one thing that surprises me here in Florida/Georgia/the Keys and elsewhere with all the lakes and water bodies...is there is very little dinghy sailing/racing...???

I grew up racing 505's and the Flying Dutchman....both around 15' long, they were fitted with a trapeze....get them up on plane....and they could fly....ok, that was 50 years ago....they were a hoot....but I don't see that kind of activity anymore....

see some Hobie cats occasionally on the beach, but not often.

Big boats are a pain in the rear end to take out for a daysail....but a dink is a simple affair....wish I'd see more of them.....

[DeValency]

+1 to Barnikiel (and not only on this rolling thread...)

And as a great weekend entertainment to ALL (with something to think of), do yourself a favor and watch the documentary "Where to Invade Next"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KeAZho8TKo

Michael Moore will help to do the math with the real US taxes bottom line.

Now, CF policy is "no politics", so better return to the reality (not the reality shows, nor the fake news inflated by commercial interests). Cruising sailboats, new and old are not an impulsive purchase - no matter how much one earns (or think he/she earns!). Even when there is a risk of economical downturn (some people think it is only a risk), the first thing you purchase is not a $50-500K boat with the ticking bomb of docking, maintenance and the entire full monty...

'Someone' will need to pay for the $7 trillion, in cash, poured, so far, as a result of the covid. For the 30%+ drop in GDP and the loss of markets worldwide that will continue deeper into 2021.

OK, over and out

Originally Posted by barnakiel

There are still people here who remember Eisenhower? Really? Congratulations.


I suggest you buy yourself a ticket to Finland or Sweden, go have a look, then come back and tell us what you think about socialism.


You are at CF? You have a boat? Why not sail it for once, visit some places and see what it is like THERE. Some clearly never had.



Eisenhower. Communist manifesto. Ignorant arguments based in endlessly repeated slogans.



barnakiel

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by MicHughV

one thing that surprises me here in Florida/Georgia/the Keys and elsewhere with all the lakes and water bodies...is there is very little dinghy sailing/racing...???

see some Hobie cats occasionally on the beach, but not often.

Big boats are a pain in the rear end to take out for a daysail....but a dink is a simple affair....wish I'd see more of them.....

[brief derail]

Amen, brother. I get to cruise occasionally on bigger boats with friends, and we've done a bareboat charter, and we are looking for something larger, but for the past several years we've been sailing the bottom off of a 19' microcruiser that's at a slip a 10 min walk from home, and every year towing it to some new location to explore for a few days. It's simply a delight to sail. I also got in some quality Hobie time this year and a few days windsurfing.

It's my impression that the Florida Keys would be ideal waters for microcruisers (like 22' or less) with shallow or retracting keels?

[tomfl]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

[brief derail]

Amen, brother. I get to cruise occasionally on bigger boats with friends, and we've done a bareboat charter, and we are looking for something larger, but for the past several years we've been sailing the bottom off of a 19' microcruiser that's at a slip a 10 min walk from home, and every year towing it to some new location to explore for a few days. It's simply a delight to sail. I also got in some quality Hobie time this year and a few days windsurfing.

It's my impression that the Florida Keys would be ideal waters for microcruisers (like 22' or less) with shallow or retracting keels?

Finding a wall or slip in the Keys is a tall order; but still a lot easier than finding a place to tie up a dinghy. Not that many 22 ft boats have a dinghy.

Another problem is that stuff like provisions and ice/fridge power would be an issue. Not to mention showers, toilets and general comfort things.

[barnakiel]

Originally Posted by smj

Finland and Sweden.........you mean the 2 countries that have some of the happiest citizens in the world?

Errr ... errr ... ??? Last time I looked up, the happiest were I think Mexico and Columbia. Sweden and Finland are mostly known for high suicide ratios.


I do not think high suicide numbers and happiness blend well together.



I have been to Sweden ( years ) and I will say they are prosperous (despite being Socialists) and they are prosperous in the right way - everybody is more or less prosperous. Unless you look harder, there is very little poverty. Unless you look up some Swedish Daily Mirror, there are no filthy rich people in sight.


Maybe this explains why Sweden may have the highest boat per capita ratio in the world.


Swedish boat market is flat btw too. It is always flat there. Then again with three boats in the family there is very little incentive to buy more. And boats are very well priced and easy to buy and sell too.


Very few Bavarias and Benes too. People enjoy their HRs, Najads and and anoccasional Swan and pass them in the family. Sailed 2 months then stored 10 months their boats last. This kills the boat market too but who cares when you have a boat and a good one too?


Financing is hardly ever used. We buy cash in hand and most of the time without brokers.


My boat is Swedish, off course, too.



Well.



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[smj]

Originally Posted by barnakiel

Errr ... errr ... ??? Last time I looked up, the happiest were I think Mexico and Columbia. Sweden and Finland are mostly known for high suicide ratios.


I do not think high suicide numbers and happiness blend well together.



I have been to Sweden ( years ) and I will say they are prosperous (despite being Socialists) and they are prosperous in the right way - everybody is more or less prosperous. Unless you look harder, there is very little poverty. Unless you look up some Swedish Daily Mirror, there are no filthy rich people in sight.


Maybe this explains why Sweden may have the highest boat per capita ratio in the world.


Swedish boat market is flat btw too. It is always flat there. Then again with three boats in the family there is very little incentive to buy more. And boats are very well priced and easy to buy and sell too.


Very few Bavarias and Benes too. People enjoy their HRs, Najads and and anoccasional Swan and pass them in the family. Sailed 2 months then stored 10 months their boats last. This kills the boat market too but who cares when you have a boat and a good one too?


Financing is hardly ever used. We buy cash in hand and most of the time without brokers.


My boat is Swedish, off course, too.



Well.



b.

https://www.gfmag.com/global-data/no...iest-countries
Maybe they’re so happy they’ve become suicidal?

[MicHughV]

from time to time I go to Key Largo...and stay at the Key Lime Cottages.....together with the cottage you get a 22' Catalina sailboat for your use. This is yours to use on the bay side...I find it very peaceful and relaxing....I've crossed oceans, so this is quite different. It's typically quite smooth sailing...very peaceful and quiet....and I find it eminently enjoyable. On the ocean, I'm usually going somewhere and will have a 100 things on my mind, but piddling about in a 22' boat is all about sailing. You can go in the morning, you can go in the afternoon, you can go all day. You don't typically think or worry about the weather, as you can be back within an hour. They have a little kicker on the back in the event the wind dies down. These boats are very tender and just moving around can affect sail trim and motion.

There's a lot to be said about messing around with these boats. I learned to sail on a 21' boat much like these and doing this again reminds me of my early years. There is much to be said about letting your hand flop over the side to feel the water....can't be done on a big boat.

It doesn't always require a 45' mega cruiser to enjoy sailing.

A 22 footer can be trailerable, parked in your driveway and be rigged by one person, You could even take it offshore in settled weather.
And it can all be done at a fraction of the cost of a larger vessel.

[barnakiel]

Originally Posted by smj

https://www.gfmag.com/global-data/no...iest-countries
Maybe they’re so happy they’ve become suicidal?

Agreed. Your data is accurate mine was dated.


So perhaps, just perhaps, it is indeed Socialism that made them so happy. A bitter pill for some, but a viable explanation otherwise.


Because if not Socialism and low wealth distribution inequality, then I do not know what.

b.

[smj]

Originally Posted by barnakiel

Agreed. Your data is accurate mine was dated.


So perhaps, just perhaps, it is indeed Socialism that made them so happy. A bitter pill for some, but a viable explanation otherwise.


Because if not Socialism and low wealth distribution inequality, then I do not know what.

b.

Don’t tell anyone but the socialist countries appear to have the happiest populations.

[DeValency]

Originally Posted by barnakiel

Agreed. Your data is accurate mine was dated.


So perhaps, just perhaps, it is indeed Socialism that made them so happy. A bitter pill for some, but a viable explanation otherwise.


Because if not Socialism and low wealth distribution inequality, then I do not know what.

b.

Right. Unfortunately, most of us at this side of the pond have no idea what’s the Western European socialism is. But as a (local) hint, Medicare is a kind of (screwed up... ) socialism, the present tenants eviction ban through 12/2020 is another type of socialism, but some people are not interested in being confused with the facts.

Anyway, that’s from Forbes Magazine (not exactly a radical communist media) ranking the 20 happiest countries in the world (2019):

Finland
Denmark
Switzerland
Iceland
Norway
Netherlands
Sweden
New Zealand
Austria
Luxembourg
Canada
Australia
United Kingdom
Israel
Costa Rica
Ireland
Germany
United States
Czech Republic
Belgium

So Sweden is still quite high but my favorite are definitely The NL and Denmark.
All those at the top (except Switzerland and Iceland) are well known for a strong marine and boatbuilding industries and great sailing communities
15 countries out of the 20 here are well known for their strong sailing communities.
And one more marginal fact: 19 run soci*^%# economies for at least the last 50 years... 😳

[barnakiel]

Apparently sailing and skiing makes a person happy.


As does being well off.



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