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lestersails · 18-01-2021, 07:34

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Originally Posted by vjsimone

Carved ?
Sounds like someone wiped the algae off the manatee's back.
Yes, still harassment, but also fake news here...

Please carefully consider use of that phrase. The fostering of distrust of all media that one doesn't like is a pathway to dictatorship. The media is flawed. Government without media is much, much worse.

Bmorgan562 · 18-01-2021, 07:40

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Originally Posted by Time2Go

As someone who has gotten into fights with people who
leave their dogs in the car on hot summer days
and who 45 years ago had the experience of swimming with many
Manatee during a college bio field trip,
Prosecution to the fullest extent of the law is not enough
I say, cut their balls off
Sorry but I just cant stomach cretins that are cruel to animals.
Neil

Imagine what they would do to a human ! Seriously disgusting excuse for a person

lestersails · 18-01-2021, 07:40

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Originally Posted by valhalla360

Translation...free publicity that he is unlikely to ever pay out.

If he was really worried about manatees, he would put that money towards paying for overtime for enforcement officers at areas where they are known to congregate but get hit by boats regularly.

Classic - the Nirvana fallacy. Compare something that is actual or real to an abstract ideal and - it falls short!
Good is good my friend. I don't criticize people for doing less than they might. They are a big step above those doing nothing.

Ringmaster · 18-01-2021, 08:34

From what I have read about this story the truth is nobody "carved" anything. Someone wiped slime off the animal to "write" Trump's name.

Mike OReilly · 18-01-2021, 08:38

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Originally Posted by Ringmaster

From what I have read about this story the truth is nobody "carved" anything. Someone wiped slime off the animal to "write" Trump's name.

Irrelevant. The crime is still the same.

Stress Recess · 18-01-2021, 09:07

What if SHE doesn’t have any?

**nigel1** · 18-01-2021, 09:50

Could this be one of Tump's lost votes?

billdomb · 18-01-2021, 10:13

Don't think anyone CARVED anything on a manatee.

Might have used a brush to disturb the normal algae coat and leave a TEMPORARY mark.

Meanwhile, contemplate for a moment, what the response might have been if the word had said Biden, not Trump.

Mauruuru · 18-01-2021, 10:37

I think that when they are caught all that needs to be done is to carve "TRUMP" on their back, soak them in vinegar and then let them go........

Ringmaster · 18-01-2021, 10:45

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Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Irrelevant. The crime is still the same.

Hardly.

wolfgal · 18-01-2021, 10:58

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Originally Posted by Manateeman

The most serious injury the manatee suffered was not to the skin.
It was the disruption of their method to prevent death from cold water.
Manatees have incredibly strong skin, so strong, Native American tribes used it as material for shields. Manatees were considered, like turtles and crocodiles, sacred foods to be eaten only in times of emergency as in after a hurricane.
Something like 90 % of all manatees have been hit by propellers. They survive deep cuts in an environment full of very nasty marine microbes. They survive because they have an incredible immune system. The vaccine for papilloma in humans began as a study of the almost perfect immunity manatees had to this virus. This crime was not and is not about scratching, cutting, tattooing carving ...what ever dang word you want or don’t want to use...I did not choose carve...it was the descriptive told to me by one of the first people on scene. Marine mammal scientists know how resistant manatees are to skin trauma.
The center point of this criminal action is the potential fatal result of disturbing manatees in winter as they try to survive the cold.
They don’t just lie there like logs because they are stupid or slow. They are not fat. They actually have very little body fat and can simply die from the cold.
They rest in groups. If you frighten one, they all react. They loose energy and that can be fatal. That’s the crime here. That will be the center of the charges.
Please stop all this nonsense about how it was reported, or what word ended up on this manatee. Please, just stop the silly comment.
The preservation of manatees and manatee habitat is in our best interest for our preservation. it’s just that simple. It’s not a crime against them, it was a crime against all of us.
Captain Mark

thanks for this info, Mark

wolfgal

Mike OReilly · 18-01-2021, 11:08

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Originally Posted by Ringmaster

Hardly.

Explain to me what you think the crime is?

As already stated, the law reads: "It is unlawful for any person, at any time, intentionally or negligently, to annoy, molest, harass, or disturb any manatee."

As I stated, it appears that it is irrelevant what was written. So please... explain how I am wrong.

valhalla360 · 18-01-2021, 11:29

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Originally Posted by lestersails

Classic - the Nirvana fallacy. Compare something that is actual or real to an abstract ideal and - it falls short!
Good is good my friend. I don't criticize people for doing less than they might. They are a big step above those doing nothing.

When it's someone who lives or dies by their PR (like movie/tv stars)...yes, logical people look at the ulterior motives.

As indicated, this is a whole not of nothing. No "big step" involved beyond trying to get good PR.

All of course spurred by essentially someone illegally petting a manatee.

valhalla360 · 18-01-2021, 11:34

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Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Explain to me what you think the crime is?

As already stated, the law reads: "It is unlawful for any person, at any time, intentionally or negligently, to annoy, molest, harass, or disturb any manatee."

As I stated, it appears that it is irrelevant what was written. So please... explain how I am wrong.

It's also a crime for my wife to cut her hair without my permission in Michigan

She's violated that law for years.

Just because it's on the law books doesn't mean we should get out the pitchforks for something that is relatively harmless.

Sure issue a citation if caught (which is the typical response to similar non-political cases) but the extreme responses are mostly due to the political aspect and not out of any desire to protect manatees.