La Vagabonde as celebrities

[Pelagic]

This discussion had me wondering about "perceived value" in all of this.

The sailing icons like Slocum, Bernard Motessier etc, sailed and bumbed around the world, receiving freebies everywhere, then wrote and sold books about their adventures.

They were revered and no one questioned their ethics.

If the popular sailing video bloggers stopped offering access for Free and you had to pay to see their Videos, would that then make them "Respectable" ?

[jmh2002]

Originally Posted by Andy744

When you get handed an a million dollar cat there are going to be some strings.

This is false as has been reiterated many times in other La Vagabonde threads.

[letsgetsailing3]

Originally Posted by Pelagic

This discussion had me wondering about "perceived value" in all of this.

The sailing icons like Slocum, Bernard Motessier etc, sailed and bumbed around the world, receiving freebies everywhere, then wrote and sold books about their adventures.

They were revered and no one questioned their ethics.

If the popular sailing video bloggers stopped offering access for Free and you had to pay to see their Videos, would that then make them "Respectable" ?

That’s a great question. They produce good quality videos, and they’re an attractive couple. To me, it’s more like reality TV than writing books.

I don’t think the debate is so much about “respectable” as it is about asking for donations when you’re already getting paid.

That’s my perception, anyway.

[letsgetsailing3]

Originally Posted by jmh2002

This is false as has been reiterated many times in other La Vagabonde threads.

I don’t think anything was handed to them , and I think they make their own choices. To me, they seem about as authentic as can be.

Also, it’s no accident that their videos are high quality. It’s hard work to produce anything of quality.

[Andy744]

Originally Posted by jmh2002

This is false as has been reiterated many times in other La Vagabonde threads.

YouTube Couple Land Dream Yacht!! (Full Version)

I would say they earn it then.

[jmh2002]

All the speculation has been debunked many times. Here is a previous summary, and in that thread some other members added some additional info too:

https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...ml#post3024281

(related videos in that link too)

For those speculating about how they got the Outremer (and posting incorrect info) the details are all in videos on their channel:

- Riley saw an Outremer in Venezuela, spent Christmas with the owners, and fell in love with the boat
- Riley contacted the Outremer CEO and said "have I got a deal for you..."
- Outremer's Marketing Manager was already a follower and a fan of their YouTube channel
- They went to France for a boatyard tour, meetings, and eventually a deal
- They participated in the Outremer Cup on different boats while they were there
- Outremer gave them "a reduced price on the boat"
- Because of the channel they were also able to get "a big discount on sails and navigational gear"
- Outremer helped them with getting finance (borrowing money is cheap in France these last years)
- They are paying off the loan using the income from the YouTube channel
- The initial proposal may have been for 1 year but that may have changed during negotiations (in any case it's been a success, and has been extended)

So no free boat. A reduced price, discounts on other gear, and some assistance finding finance in a foreign country.

All in all not particularly unusual given the circumstances of the mutually beneficial arrangement between themselves and Outremer.

Either way it's good to stick to the facts though, irrespective of whether you like them or their channel.

[tp12]

Originally Posted by StuM

Nope, "Experts" tell you what they want you to hear. You get the facts filtered through their biases.

Smart people follow the motto of the Royal Society: Nullius in Verba

Which roughly translates as "take no one's word for it".

Find out for yourself by learniing the underlying science and observing the evidence.

I repeat: Where's the science behind the quote from her UN speech. It sure ain't anywhere in the last IPCC report. That's just what she has been told is in the report by her activists
.

Nah, I'm not but I'm not going to get into a debate with a climate science denier. I don't think anyone should, anymore, either. This isn't an alternative viewpoint, it's simply science denial. It's akin to putting 'Karen the anti-vaxxer' on the same footing as an immunologist. Or someone who believes that Bill Gates is trying to develop a vaccine to inject mind control nanobots that will be activated by 5G or similar rubbish.

It's usually, but not limited to, middle aged white men, right wing with authoritarian tendencies, who rail against Greta and climate science and it's no surprise that you fit this category. And those who are similarly minded. A more interesting conversation to me is why is this so? Fear of being left behind by a world that is changing and not responding to authoritarian attempts to control it and make it go back? There's a lot of support for that argument. There's certainly been a lot written about why people do that. Interestingly there's a lot of overlap on the Venn diagram of those people and conspiracy theorists. I'm much more interested in a more academic conversation trying to understand the why behind this.

[StuM]

Originally Posted by tp12

Nah, I'm not but I'm not going to get into a debate with a climate science denier. I don't think anyone should, anymore, either.
...
I'm much more interested in a more academic conversation trying to understand the why behind this

Yep, you're right.

Stephan Lewandowsky and John Cook can explain it all to your satisfaction.

You win. Bye!

[Andy744]

Originally Posted by jmh2002

All the speculation has been debunked many times. Here is a previous summary, and in that thread some other members added some additional info too:

https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...ml#post3024281

(related videos in that link too)

Well thats good, no strings attached then.

[Copper Sunset]

As a "member of more advanced years" I have nothing but admiration for Riley and Elayna (and Lennie). Also for The Wynns, Project Atticus, The Riley's, Zatara and Sailing Seadog. All great people, although with different approaches, they are making their plan work. It is simple, if you do not like what you see do not watch or contribute. Find what works for you. As I lost my blue water sailboat in a business transaction it will be a while before I can join them, but I will!

Climate change? - something is causing the palm trees on many beaches to erode and topple over into the water. Nature, mankind or a combination? Time will tell.

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by StuM

Yep, you're right. You win. Bye!

Yep, obviously a common sense denier.

[StuM]

Originally Posted by Copper Sunset

Climate change? - something is causing the palm trees on many beaches to erode and topple over into the water. Nature, mankind or a combination? Time will tell.

Yep, it's unprecedented. They never did that before 1950.

[tp12]

Originally Posted by StuM

Yep, you're right.

Stephan Lewandowsky and John Cook can explain it all to your satisfaction.

You win. Bye!

It's not about winning and it's sad you think that way. But ok, cool.

[Andy744]

I was just lucky, I had an email from a Nigerian Prince and he bought me my boat.

[Haywoods]

There is no need to insult people because they have a different view to yours !!!!

Originally Posted by tp12

Nah, I'm not but I'm not going to get into a debate with a climate science denier. I don't think anyone should, anymore, either. This isn't an alternative viewpoint, it's simply science denial. It's akin to putting 'Karen the anti-vaxxer' on the same footing as an immunologist. Or someone who believes that Bill Gates is trying to develop a vaccine to inject mind control nanobots that will be activated by 5G or similar rubbish.

It's usually, but not limited to, middle aged white men, right wing with authoritarian tendencies, who rail against Greta and climate science and it's no surprise that you fit this category. And those who are similarly minded. A more interesting conversation to me is why is this so? Fear of being left behind by a world that is changing and not responding to authoritarian attempts to control it and make it go back? There's a lot of support for that argument. There's certainly been a lot written about why people do that. Interestingly there's a lot of overlap on the Venn diagram of those people and conspiracy theorists. I'm much more interested in a more academic conversation trying to understand the why behind this.