Realistic length measurements are needed.

[s/v Jedi]

Originally Posted by Cynara

All throughout central America they accepted our USCG documentation as ownership

Which Central American government asked you to proof ownership and why? I spent 15 years there and never had to prove ownership.

[boatpoker]

Originally Posted by rslifkin

It depends on the registration. With NY state registration on my boat (not USCG documented), the registration is proof of ownership. My boat is a couple years too old for NY to issue a separate title, so the registration is considered transferable and covers it all.

When the rest of the world talks about "registration" they mean their Federal government. The US are the only ones I know of that call state licenses "registration"

I may be wrong but I thought this thread was about Federally (of any country) "Registered" vessels or what you call "documented".

[StuM]

Originally Posted by boatpoker

When the rest of the world talks about "registration" they mean their Federal government. The US are the only ones I know of that call state licenses "registration"

Erm...Australia for one? Here's Qld:
https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/boa...n/recreational

Same with every other state AFAIK. (NT is not a State )

[boatpoker]

Originally Posted by StuM

Erm...Australia for one? Here's Qld:
https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/boa...n/recreational

Same with every other state AFAIK. (NT is not a State )

Ok, Australia too. Point is it was my impression we were talking about federally registered vessels under IMO right up to post #39.

[Jim Cate]

I may be wrong but I thought this thread was about Federally (of any country) "Registered" vessels or what you call "documented".

Well actually the OP was about manufacturers labels not reflecting t he actual measurements of the vessel. No mention of rego or documentation. That discussion is thread drift!

Jim

[chrisr]

Originally Posted by StuM

Erm...Australia for one? Here's Qld:
https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/boa...n/recreational

Same with every other state AFAIK. (NT is not a State )

in australia state registration is required. however for travel internationally, national (ie federal aka AMSA) is mandatory and the state registration is not relevant

actually i have a vague recollection that in australia national (ie amsa) registration IS regarded as proof of ownership. this might be the case with uk registration as well ??

can anyone clarify ?

cheers,

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

As was said, my experience only started in NCal, but over the past 35 years has extended across the Pacific, ending in Australia... a fairly wide swath, encompassing many cultures and marina managers.



Your experience in Europe (which seems at odds with several other responders) does not define the world either. It is just one small quadrant of a vast and varied place.



Jim

With the greatest density of sailing boats in the world akso

[StuM]

Originally Posted by chrisr

actually i have a vague recollection that in australia national (ie amsa) registration IS regarded as proof of ownership. this might be the case with uk registration as well ??

can anyone clarify ?

Your recollection is correct:


The Australian Register of Ships is maintained by the Shipping Registration Office of the Australian Maritime Safety Authority. The register contains the following information about registered vessels:
• physical details of the vessel
• name and address of the registered owners
• name and address of any mortgagees
• name and address of any caveators, and
• a history of ownership since registration.
Why register a yacht, cruiser or fishing boat?
Although such vessels are not required by law to be registered, the following safeguards and benefits are available through registration:
• Registration of title in the vessel
• Your ownership is recorded in the Register.
• Registration gives good title' to the vessel which cannot be overturned by the holder of an earlier interest unless you had notice of that interest when you purchased it.
• Registration of ownership is similar in many respects to having ownership of your house registered at the Land Titles Office.

[Cynara]

They didn't ask we just showed them our passport, crew list and documentation

[s/v Jedi]

For The Netherlands there are two official documents: the “zeebrief” which is the official registration for Dutch flagged vessels and which provides proof of ownership and second document is the “meetbrief” which has all the measurements.

In order to register and get the zeebrief, you must prove you are the owners, have clear title etc. I had to provide 22 documents to get there and only 2 were easy.

[rslifkin]

Originally Posted by boatpoker

When the rest of the world talks about "registration" they mean their Federal government. The US are the only ones I know of that call state licenses "registration"

I may be wrong but I thought this thread was about Federally (of any country) "Registered" vessels or what you call "documented".

I think it comes from the idea that states handle car registration, etc. So they also register boats. Documenting (effectively federal registration) is optional in many cases, so plenty of boats only have the state registration (and in some cases state-issued title). USCG documentation would also serve as proof of ownership.



From a "showing registration" or "proof of ownership" perspective, I'd think it's going to be whatever registration you have for the boat, regardless of who issued it.

[boatpoker]

Originally Posted by rslifkin

I think it comes from the idea that states handle car registration, etc. So they also register boats. Documenting (effectively federal registration) is optional in many cases, so plenty of boats only have the state registration (and in some cases state-issued title). USCG documentation would also serve as proof of ownership.



From a "showing registration" or "proof of ownership" perspective, I'd think it's going to be whatever registration you have for the boat, regardless of who issued it.

Still drifting
My Canadian Federal registry says on the back of the page, in small type ...
"A certificate of registry is not a document of title".

[rslifkin]

Originally Posted by boatpoker

Still drifting
My Canadian Federal registry says on the back of the page, in small type ...
"A certificate of registry is not a document of title".

And that's where the biggest "it depends" comes in based on where the registration is from. Some places issue a registration that's proof of ownership, others issue separate registration and title.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by rslifkin

And that's where the biggest "it depends" comes in based on where the registration is from. Some places issue a registration that's proof of ownership, others issue separate registration and title.

correct my national registration is most certainly a proof of ownership I had ro provide notorised copies of all bills of sale from the manufacturer forward

[sv_pelagia]

Every marina in Mexico we visited required boat's papers (registration, Mexican liability) to stay. We were charged as per the registry length.