Cruisers Forum
 

Go Back   Cruisers & Sailing Forums > Engineering & Systems > Marine Electronics
Cruiser Wiki Click Here to Login
Register Vendors FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Log in

Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. Advertise Here
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 05-06-2012, 13:45   #1
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 617
AIS - cog/sog or boat/heading?

just completed passage with AIS Raymarine 500 on Raymarine MFD.
AIS is extreemly useful system. It doesn't replace radar/lights, eyes, etc.
But is better than the rest combined.
However, stalkers were able to track me up the coast on internet sites. and were surprised at my early arrival time. they said my speed was in the 4 to 5 knot range.
Blasphemy!
(shtarker)Ve don't do 4 knots here.
So I am thinking it was transmitting boat speed rather than SOG.
My boat speed was not calibrated and was showing 5 - 6 knots less than SOG in the gulf stream.
So, the question is does AIS transmit boat speed/heading or SOG/COG? One is accurate - the other can be completely wrong, and misleading from the perspective of another vessel.

Also if you have receive only AIS - get transmit too - seriously you can be one of the ships or part of a ship...
cheers
AllezCat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2012, 13:52   #2
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SW Florida
Boat: FP Belize, 43' - Dot Dun
Posts: 3,823
Re: AIS - cog/sog or boat/heading?

AIS transmits SOG/COG as calculated by it's internal GPS. Yours will send heading if connected to a gyro stabilized heading source via NMEA (HDT sentence).
DotDun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2012, 02:40   #3
cruiser

Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 2
Re: AIS - cog/sog or boat/heading?

Quote:
Originally Posted by DotDun View Post
AIS transmits SOG/COG as calculated by it's internal GPS. Yours will send heading if connected to a gyro stabilized heading source via NMEA (HDT sentence).
you'd better get to know how ais transmits
antondavis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2012, 11:49   #4
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SW Florida
Boat: FP Belize, 43' - Dot Dun
Posts: 3,823
Re: AIS - cog/sog or boat/heading?

Quote:
Originally Posted by antondavis View Post
you'd better get to know how ais transmits
please explain what you are trying to say?
DotDun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2012, 11:57   #5
Moderator Emeritus
 
David M's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Eastern Tennessee
Boat: Research vessel for a university, retired now.
Posts: 10,406
Re: AIS - cog/sog or boat/heading?

An AIS transceiver broadcasts COG, SOG and other information such as the vessels name, type of vessel and status. Some information has to be broadcasted for AIS to work and some information is optional. AIS can be set up to broadcast heading from a gyro or a fluxgate. This is optional information. Some vessels broadcast heading and some do not.

An AIS receiver broadcasts nothing, by definition. It is listen only.


Anton, please describe in more detail what you meant by your snarky comment. It wasn't of any help to DotDun.
__________________
David

Life begins where land ends.
David M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2012, 12:02   #6
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 617
Re: AIS - cog/sog or boat/heading?

Quote:
Originally Posted by DotDun View Post
AIS transmits SOG/COG as calculated by it's internal GPS. Yours will send heading if connected to a gyro stabilized heading source via NMEA (HDT sentence).
ok that makes sense - as it should be.
not sure why others were getting such "off" readings from the base stations on the internet(which would have corresponded approximately with my un-calibrated boat speed)
AllezCat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2012, 12:15   #7
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SW Florida
Boat: FP Belize, 43' - Dot Dun
Posts: 3,823
Re: AIS - cog/sog or boat/heading?

Quote:
Originally Posted by AllezCat View Post
ok that makes sense - as it should be.
not sure why others were getting such "off" readings from the base stations on the internet(which would have corresponded approximately with my un-calibrated boat speed)
If you have ever monitored a GPS that does not 'smooth' the SOG data, it can appear quite erratic depending on the sea condition you are in. It could be that others saw the report from your AIS when you were on the uphill side of a wave.
DotDun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2012, 12:23   #8
Moderator
 
Pete7's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Solent, England
Boat: Moody 31
Posts: 18,561
Images: 22
Re: AIS - cog/sog or boat/heading?

Quote:
Originally Posted by AllezCat View Post
However, stalkers were able to track me up the coast on internet sites. and were surprised at my early arrival time. they said my speed was in the 4 to 5 knot range.
Blasphemy! (shtarker)Ve don't do 4 knots here.
Big brother is watching, guess you need a Klingon cloaking device so folk can't see you

Pete
Pete7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2012, 12:34   #9
Moderator Emeritus
 
David M's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Eastern Tennessee
Boat: Research vessel for a university, retired now.
Posts: 10,406
Re: AIS - cog/sog or boat/heading?

Speed through the water to an AIS system is irrelevant. SOG is relevant.
__________________
David

Life begins where land ends.
David M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2012, 13:41   #10
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 617
Re: AIS - cog/sog or boat/heading?

Quote:
Originally Posted by David M View Post
Speed through the water to an AIS system is irrelevant. SOG is relevant.
i know - was just worried my AIS was transmitting spurious data
AllezCat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2012, 05:43   #11
Registered User
 
denverd0n's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 5,018
Images: 6
Re: AIS - cog/sog or boat/heading?

Nit-picking and off topic, but that would be Siegfried saying it to Starker. I know a lot of people would disagree with me, but I think "Get Smart" may be the best sit-com ever made.
denverd0n is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2012, 07:06   #12
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 617
Re: AIS - cog/sog or boat/heading?

Quote:
Originally Posted by denverd0n View Post
Nit-picking and off topic, but that would be Siegfried saying it to Starker. I know a lot of people would disagree with me, but I think "Get Smart" may be the best sit-com ever made.
sure is.
would you believe? -
i haven't watched the movie - reckon it would spoil the memories of the real max...
AllezCat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2012, 07:30   #13
Registered User
 
svBeBe's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Galveston Island, Texas, USA
Boat: Amel SM 53 - BeBe
Posts: 953
All of you experts are too funny. Get a life.

Bill
svBeBe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2012, 07:34   #14
Moderator Emeritus
 
David M's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Eastern Tennessee
Boat: Research vessel for a university, retired now.
Posts: 10,406
Re: AIS - cog/sog or boat/heading?

Quote:
Originally Posted by svBeBe View Post
All of you experts are too funny. Get a life.

Bill
Bill, please read the "be nice" rule.
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ork&page=rules
__________________
David

Life begins where land ends.
David M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2012, 08:20   #15
Registered User
 
svBeBe's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Galveston Island, Texas, USA
Boat: Amel SM 53 - BeBe
Posts: 953
Re: AIS - cog/sog or boat/heading?

Quote:
Originally Posted by David M View Post
OK, I assume this is the voice of experience?

Bill
svBeBe is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
ais


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Advertise Here


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:32.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.