Competion for Starlink

[AA3JY]

Amazon to step into the Frey..

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/m...162836704.html

[Srpulpo]

Well its good that other people will get into that market, more choices and normally the cost would go down too.

[Chotu]

Maybe we can just encase the Earth in a metallic shell.

Competition is good, but then again what a stupid civilization and species we are.

We have to replicate the same thing over and over and over again because of feudal differences.

Imagine what we could do if we all were working together

[Srpulpo]

Humans are way to greedy, if the whole world got along and worked together then most living problems would be fixed.

[Kinkircating]

I highly recommend reading the book Sapiens, it definitely paints a clear picture of how detrimental we are to this amazing planet we’ve been blessed with…sort of makes you want to root for the bad guys in these movies. I can sort of understand where Thanos was coming from lol.

[Ryban]

Sapiens was a good book. I think what blew my mind the most reading it was that our brains have not changed substantially in the 50 thousand or so years since we were hunter gathers living in caves. We've just developed systems of communication and storage such that we can stand on the shoulders of the generations before us. But when it comes to handling information, social conflict, and decision-making, in large part we are still subjects to our brains that did not evolve to handle the scale and complexity that our civilization has become.

I have mixed feelings about Starlink. Competition is almost always a good thing though.

[sailorboy1]

Originally Posted by Srpulpo

Humans are way to greedy, if the whole world got along and worked together then most living problems would be fixed.

how would we know as never has it ever happened

[sailingharry]

This is one of those things, like Cable TV, where competition is a mixed blessing.


Cable TV runs 100,000 miles of copper, and serves 1M people, and so each person has to pay for .1 miles of copper.


Then Verizon runs 100,000 miles of fiber, and siphons off .5M people. So each person on Cable has to pay for .2 miles of copper, and each person on fiber has to pay for .2 miles of fiber.


I know, there's a gazillon more details than that. But the point is that both companies have to send a signal to the doorstep of every house, and only get paid by some houses.


In Starlink, he has to have enough satellites to cover the globe. Each user adds very little cost, only income. If he loses users, he can't cover costs. Now, in his case, he also has to have enough satellites to provide the bandwidth, so if he loses users he won't have to launch as many satellites. But I think the per-user actual cost goes up with competition. But fees may still go down. May.

[GordMay]

I'm certain that astronomers will [NOT] be pleased, with another 3,236 satellites, in addition to the 4,519 Starlink satellites, already in low earth orbit.

[AKA-None]

Originally Posted by GordMay

I'm certain that astronomers will [NOT] be pleased, with another 3,236 satellites, in addition to the 4,519 Starlink satellites, already in low earth orbit.

Ooooooo an understatement
They already draw a grid in the sky

[fourlyons]

Originally Posted by Chotu

Maybe we can just encase the Earth in a metallic shell.

Competition is good, but then again what a stupid civilization and species we are.

We have to replicate the same thing over and over and over again because of feudal differences.

Imagine what we could do if we all were working together

"Imagine what we could do if we all were working together"

If only it were that easy. The challenge with us all "working together" is knowing exactly what we should be working together on. It is the competition of ideas and different ways of doing things that ultimately arrive at the best of the possible solutions more often than not.
All of us working together, towards one goal, under one ideological or intellectual paradigm has a bad historical track record.

[Chotu]

Originally Posted by fourlyons

"Imagine what we could do if we all were working together"

If only it were that easy. The challenge with us all "working together" is knowing exactly what we should be working together on. It is the competition of ideas and different ways of doing things that ultimately arrive at the best of the possible solutions more often than not.
All of us working together, towards one goal, under one ideological or intellectual paradigm has a bad historical track record.

Well, we know we need satellite internet (apparently). We don't need 3-10 redundant and incompatible systems wasting the near earth orbits in junk.

It's different when it's a planetary matter. You're thinking too small

[MIRELOS]

great read,...a must

[chubby]

Originally Posted by fourlyons

"Imagine what we could do if we all were working together"

If only it were that easy. The challenge with us all "working together" is knowing exactly what we should be working together on. It is the competition of ideas and different ways of doing things that ultimately arrive at the best of the possible solutions more often than not.
All of us working together, towards one goal, under one ideological or intellectual paradigm has a bad historical track record.

a-freakin'-men


i'm all for a collaboration of like thinking individuals towards a common goal.
meaning individuals with differing ideas on how to reach that goal....yet working together.

the predisposition so many folks have towards "group think" and that mob mentality absolutely gives me the heebie-jeebies.. in human history the "individual" has never been a cause of bad times. (ever)


for the waterman/cruiser/sailor i see no negatives to Project Kuiper...
ignoring competition and limiting potentially monopolistic behaviors...

a different network simply = redundancy. which is always a good thing.


concerning space junk...
people need realize just how big our sky actually is and how little we humans and out little trickets actually are.

1000s of (known)space debris light up our sky each year...

imo, there could be million new low orbit satellites and it would still be insignificant
(fwiw i believe the starlink birds only have a lifespan of only 5 years)

AI assisted Nancy Grace Roman and the James Web space telescopes are a godsend to astronomers...land based observation is already obsolete.

[GordMay]

"Many people are busy trying to find better ways of doing things that should not have to be done at all. There is no progress in merely finding a better way to do a useless thing." ~ Henry Ford