Royal Caribbean Asks FCC To "Expeditiously" Approve Starlink On Cruise Ships

[mcarling]

Originally Posted by Brian.D

I thought the whole purpose of the trip was to get away from the keyboard and enjoy the journey?

That might be your purpose or mine, but some people prefer to live full time on a cruise ship and need to be able to work remotely. Even if I don't want to use it, I wouldn't urge the FCC to say "No" just to deny to others what they need and I don't.

[S/V Illusion]

Originally Posted by nestorph

They're obviously doing so with the best intentions in mind...

If they weren't making a profit, there would be no cruise ships.

[buddhadawg]

the fact that the FCC has any say in what a private company, not us based and that spends 90% of its time in international waters and wants to use a technolgy that is space based, is the entire problem.. the US govt is out of control.. if i can buy a dish and put it my boat, then the cruise lines should be able to do the same.. the FCC needs to go away and let private business do what they do best, the govt is 40 years behind in everything they touch.

[rslifkin]

Originally Posted by buddhadawg

the fact that the FCC has any say in what a private company, not us based and that spends 90% of its time in international waters and wants to use a technolgy that is space based, is the entire problem.. the US govt is out of control.. if i can buy a dish and put it my boat, then the cruise lines should be able to do the same.. the FCC needs to go away and let private business do what they do best, the govt is 40 years behind in everything they touch.

Except SpaceX is a US company... And the US FCC isn't the only country that's very fussy about regulating anything to do with RF transmissions.

[Brian.D]

Plus there are the legalities of landing rights. The ship may transit to a port that will not allow any space based internet access. And, who will profit from beaming into open waters where there are very few users? Pretty much all space based internet access is spot beamed to high population centers, not for the occasional ocean cruiser.

JMHO

[buddhadawg]

Originally Posted by rslifkin

Except SpaceX is a US company... And the US FCC isn't the only country that's very fussy about regulating anything to do with RF transmissions.

true that space x is a us company, but they are already regulated to high heaven, but we are talking about RCC here.. and if i can buy a dish and put iton my boat, why cant they??

[redneckrob]

Originally Posted by buddhadawg

the FCC needs to go away and let private business do what they do best, the govt is 40 years behind in everything they touch.

Great idea. Anyone can transmit anything they want on any frequency they want at any power they want. What could go wrong there

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by buddhadawg

the fact that the FCC has any say in what a private company, not us based and that spends 90% of its time in international waters and wants to use a technolgy that is space based, is the entire problem.. the US govt is out of control.. if i can buy a dish and put it my boat, then the cruise lines should be able to do the same.. the FCC needs to go away and let private business do what they do best, the govt is 40 years behind in everything they touch.

Sure a free for all. Then the 5G frequencies will drown out starlink and other competitors will use similar frequencies and everyone will be having a great time

Sheesh

By the way Musk is already saying that 5G frequencies will disrupt starlink , funny that now why would a internet competitor be saying that

5G will remove loads of potential starlink customers from that market , that’s why starlink is complaining

Dish isn’t the only one whinging

[SV Tom Crean]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Sure a free for all. Then the 5G frequencies will drown out starlink and other competitors will use similar frequencies and everyone will be having a great time

Sheesh

By the way Musk is already saying that 5G frequencies will disrupt starlink , funny that now why would a internet competitor be saying that

5G will remove loads of potential starlink customers from that market , that’s why starlink is complaining

Dish isn’t the only one whinging

All current 5G networks operate at either < 3.7 GHz narrow band or > 25 GHz wide band and Starlink doesn’t have a problem. The issue is Dish want to use the 12Ghz band for a new 5G network , which will then cause problems for Starlink. The Dish submission claimed there would be minimal interference and Starlink disagrees, hence the complaint.

If this goes though it will only be a problem in the U.S. nowhere else uses 12Ghz for 5G (far as I know)

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by SV Tom Crean

All current 5G networks operate at either < 3.7 GHz narrow band or > 25 GHz wide band and Starlink doesn’t have a problem. The issue is Dish want to use the 12Ghz band for a new 5G network , which will then cause problems for Starlink. The Dish submission claimed there would be minimal interference and Starlink disagrees, hence the complaint.

If this goes though it will only be a problem in the U.S. nowhere else uses 12Ghz for 5G (far as I know)

But the point is the same starlink is attempting to restrict the 12Ghz that the FCChas indicated it would like to open up

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by SV Tom Crean

All current 5G networks operate at either < 3.7 GHz narrow band or > 25 GHz wide band and Starlink doesn’t have a problem. The issue is Dish want to use the 12Ghz band for a new 5G network , which will then cause problems for Starlink. The Dish submission claimed there would be minimal interference and Starlink disagrees, hence the complaint.

If this goes though it will only be a problem in the U.S. nowhere else uses 12Ghz for 5G (far as I know)

But the point is the same starlink is attempting to restrict the 12Ghz that the FCChas indicated it would like to open up

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by buddhadawg

the fact that the FCC has any say in what a private company, not us based and that spends 90% of its time in international waters and wants to use a technolgy that is space based, is the entire problem.. the US govt is out of control...

Originally Posted by redneckrob

Great idea. Anyone can transmit anything they want on any frequency they want at any power they want. What could go wrong there

The electromagnetic [RF] spectrum, and now [1], geostationary satellite orbital positions [GSO], are shared limited resources, and demand frr outstrips supply.
The RF spectrum/GSO are scarce natural resources, and common heritages [in the public trust] of humanity.

eg: The “Freedom/Tragedy of the commons”.

The issue of rational use, sharing, conservation, and protection of limited common resources has become an essential element of civilization, on national, and world-wide scales.
Thus, the access to the RF spectrum, and orbital position, are now strictly regulated nationally, and internationally.

Since the First Radiotelegraph Conference, in 1906 [Berlin], all interested governments [then 27 States] have committed themselves to develop common rules and regulations, concerning the "use" [2] of the radio frequency spectrum, and to follow these rules, in practice. The ITU Member States periodically update these rules and regulations, at radiocommunication conferences, to satisfy current needs.

The US Supreme Court explained the need for regulation, in simple terms, in Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. FCC [3]:

“... If 100 persons want broadcast licenses but there are only 10 frequencies to allocate, all of them may have the same “right” to a license; but if there is to be any effective communication by radio, only a few can be licensed and the rest must be barred from the airwaves. It would be strange if the [guarantee of freedom of expression], aimed at protecting and furthering communications, prevented the Government from making radio communication possible by requiring licenses to broadcast and by limiting the number of licenses so as not to overcrowd the spectrum.
By the same token … the licensee has no constitutional right to … monopolize a radio frequency to the exclusion of his fellow citizens. There is nothing … which prevents the Government from requiring a licensee to share his frequency with others and … present those views and voices which are representative of his community and which would otherwise, by necessity, be barred from the airwaves...”

[1] In 1958, the first data transmission, via satellite occurred, and in 1963, the first World Space Radiocommunication Conference, included the geostationary satellite orbit into the shared spectrum concept.

[2]“Used” means “denied to others”. A portion of spectrum resource, or orbital position, used by one system, is denied to other systems.

[3] “Red Lion Broadcasting Co., Inc., et al. v. Federal Communications Commission, et al [1969]
➥ https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/395/367/

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by buddhadawg

... the FCC needs to go away and let private business do what they do best, the govt is 40 years behind in everything they touch.

Of course regulation follows innovation/changes [including, but not limited to technological]; but, in this case [GSOs], the loophole began to be closed about 60 years ago, just 5 years after Project 'SCORE' [1958].

[SV Tom Crean]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

But the point is the same starlink is attempting to restrict the 12Ghz that the FCChas indicated it would like to open up

No, you have it backwards. Starlink is already operating at 12Ghz with 2000 sats and 500,000 users and have not applied for or asked for any change.

Dish now want to come in and use that frequency (usually used for sat to ground TV signals) for ground stations for a new 5G network. It’s this change and new use that will interfere with the existing setup.

Its Dish that has applied for the change, not SpaceX.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by SV Tom Crean

No, you have it backwards. Starlink is already operating at 12Ghz with 2000 sats and 500,000 users and have not applied for or asked for any change.

Dish now want to come in and use that frequency (usually used for sat to ground TV signals) for ground stations for a new 5G network. It’s this change and new use that will interfere with the existing setup.

Its Dish that has applied for the change, not SpaceX.

No you miss my point Dish is trying to restrict starlink re Mobike licences.

Equally starlink is trying to prevent dish from exploiting the opening up of 12ghz spectrum

Corporates are no better each is out to look after it’s own interests. Starlink will whinge as much as Dish to protect its commercial position