39: Lagoon 39 Experiences?

[Southern Star]

Alfredj, I can't speak to what Bunt did, but can suggest that it would be easy to upgrade the headsail track and car in order to permit you to heave-to from the cockpit. I am confident that the curved track will be a standard size and that you will able to purchase a new car with blocks and end blocks fof the track, such as are used on mainsheet travellers.

Storm jibs are frequently an issue on a cat and it is unfortunate that, with the size of the foretriangle on the 39, they did not make a Solent rig (detachable inner storm jib stay) or a cutter rig available. Really, the placement of the mast is virtually identical to my old Solaris Sunstream 40 (mast placed at the companionway bulkhead) which permits a cutter rig with not only a roller reefing headsail, but also a roller reefing staysail/storm jib. The large area between the forestay and mast allows the inner stay to be placed far enough back from the forestay to give a decent sized slot in which to tack the headsail.

Since there are no chainplates for an inner stay (detachable or otherwise), your best bet may be a galerider or equivalent storm jib. With respect to sheeting angles, from the line diagrams it would appear that the clew of the jib is high enough to permit a constant angle for the sheet from the fiddle block on the track to the clew and hence, no need to adjust the lead as the sail is reefed. As such, youi should not need tracks with adjustable blocks so long as the storm jib is cut with the same angle for the foot of the sail as the existing jib when it is reefed to the same size.

Brad

[downunder]

Originally Posted by FollowingCs

Salt, you helped me out on my 'go ASAP versus dream boat' thread. A used Antares was the 'dream boat' that I was referring to. Now you understand why I had it stuck in my head like you have the Lagoon stuck. But you helped convince me that 'go ASAP' is really the best plan (or at least should be highly highly considered), which means no Antares when my daughter graduates high school in 2 years. I'm getting okay with it now. You helped end my obsession with the Antares. Thanks brother.

All the best,
FollowingC's

If you are looking for a vessel with all the best points of a L39 and Antares here is one. Center mounted mast, storm jib, larger, and cost effect, and can be built in the Americas by an experienced cat builder. Also semi custom for your purpose. Priced better than a used Antares.

Designs - FreeFlow 46

Designs - FreeFlow 46

Cheers

[SaltyMonkey]

Originally Posted by downunder

If you are looking for a vessel with all the best points of a L39 and Antares here is one. Center mounted mast, storm jib, larger, and cost effect, and can be built in the Americas by an experienced cat builder. Also semi custom for your purpose. Priced better than a used Antares.

Designs - FreeFlow 46

Designs - FreeFlow 46

Cheers

Very very nice. Love the 2 cabin interior and the protected helm!

do not like the dining room table :P

[downunder]

Originally Posted by SaltyMonkey

Very very nice. Love the 2 cabin interior and the protected helm!

do not like the dining room table :P

The particular owners interior I suspect will never be built again. On the FF46 web site there are at least 6 options. I would do saloon (with large forward facing nav station and 3 cabins) similar to the St Francis 50 saloon with much more room .Saloon is 6mX4.

[SaltyMonkey]

Originally Posted by downunder

The particular owners interior I suspect will never be built again. On the FF46 web site there are at least 6 options. I would do saloon (with large forward facing nav station and 3 cabins) similar to the St Francis 50 saloon with much more room .Saloon is 6mX4.

w0w!

[RKsailsolo]

Let's hear from any CF Lagoon 39 owners...for those of us seduced by this design, it's music to our ears. What's your impression?

[wakesurfboy]

What is the $ saving by taking delivery in Les Sables, France, compare to US Est Coast?

I can't understand why Lagoon 39 are much more expensive in USA, it is:
- VAT (Crazy 20% socialist French tax)?
- Tansport with assurance?
- Import duty?
- All the above?

Thanks for sharing your Lagoon 39 price negociation with me.

[monte]

yes its all of the above, except VAT is replaced by USA taxes. Some people prefer take delivery in Les Sables and export and register somewhere like BVI's to avoid paying duty and tax. Delivery savings probably around 20K

[django37]

If I we're going to buy a L39' I would certainly get a code0 and an assym. Spinnaker. The selftacking jib is fine in above say 20 knots, but The Boat is short of sailarea under this. The code 0 should be cut flat for windward work, and it would be furled in and out for each tack. I like The Way The mast is stayed better than The L 380. (Sorry for The Silly spelling - IPad want it in Danish)

[RKsailsolo]

So, VAT adds 20%. For those of us without the experience of buying new but considering their purchase strategy, what is a reasonable perspective to adopt as it concerns ideas like second owner v. New so taxes are diluted?

[svlamorocha]

Originally Posted by wakesurfboy

What is the $ saving by taking delivery in Les Sables, France, compare to US Est Coast?

I can't understand why Lagoon 39 are much more expensive in USA, it is:
- VAT (Crazy 20% socialist French tax)?
- Tansport with assurance?
- Import duty?
- All the above?

Thanks for sharing your Lagoon 39 price negociation with me.

French VAT does not apply to a purchase by someone who lives in the US. It does not matter if that someone takes delivery in the US of picks it up in France. Therefore VAT is irrelevant for the decision.

I understand from a US-based friend who has owned several Lagoons that Lagoon´s pricing model for the US market makes it cheaper to take delivery in France even after you count the cost of the trip with a professional skipper. If you happen to be looking forward to an Atlantic crossing there you can make some money doing it!

C

[Mardi Gras]

Hello, I'm Tony. We own a 2014 Lagoon 39, SV Mardi Gras. She is a 4 cabin 2 head "charter version". We ordered her fromTMM in the BVI and have her in their charter fleet. We really enjoy her as do many of the clients who have chartered her. I really like the ability to sail her singlehanded, my Admiral is always with me but it's nice to be able to manage all of the sheets from the helm. I've tacked her many times with just the auto pilot and then a little sail trim afterwards. My admiral loves the bathroom arrangement, having a totally enclosed shower is very nice, keeps the rest of the room dry. We ordered her without air con and without genset and have since installed 3 ea Dometic Turbo air con units and a 9KW Northern Lights Generator. We had to remove the second water tank to have enough room to install the generator. We are installing two new water tanks under the forward berths to restore the total water capacity to 158 USGal.

Issues:

the block on the jib sail track can knick the fiberglass when the jib luffs- solution welded a stop to prevent the block from being able to go back too far.

Bottom paint flaked - removed paint, applied barrier coat applied new bottom paint

No Good path for forward mooring lines when attaching to mooring ball- installed bow chocks to route mooring lines inboard from cleats

VHF Antenna Mount broke- replaced with SS whip and mount

Rain water leak into salon from front windshield- solution pending

dinghy davits do not accommodate 10ft plus dinghy- extended davits 24", installed wire stays to offset increased bending moment.

Modifications/Installs after purchase-

Larger Bimini and frame
Cockpit cushions
Stackpak (sail)
Magnum 2800 watt inverter/charger and battery monitor
Air con, entire living space of boat including forepeak berths
9KW Generator
Towel hooks in cabins and bathrooms
Raymarine 12" chartplotter at helm
Android 12" tablet at nav station with Navionics App(installation pending)
2nd 30 amp shore power service
Custom made waterproof quiet mattress covers

I have a website www.sailmardigras.com

The link on the website of the delivery from France to BVI is not working.

Cheers,

Tony





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[RKsailsolo]

Nice boat Tony.

What do we expect the market to be in two years for the Lagoon 39? (my dream boat)

[mikall63]

I know this post is over a year old, but we just took delivery our our L39 at the first of June, 2015. Hull #019. We love the boat and have had a great time learning to sail on her. We have the 3 cabin version and are currently working out the kinks up in Puget Sound.

[RKsailsolo]

That is just awesome! I am excited for you and the very few closest people that care about you.

It still occupies my ultimate dream sailboat but I have shifted my focus to more efficient sailing performance designs. I would buy the 39 in a heartbeat if I experienced something to change my perception that the design is optimized for condomaran duties. Think of David Duchovny in the old X Files; "I want to believe."