440: Lagoon 440 Performance ?

[oscar]

am understand that 7 knots means 4-8 knots for extended periods.

No that would be averaging 6 knots. Sorry.....

Any level of control can be built in below. You can set up for night running, get rid of all white light, and substitute dimmed red. You can install a helm, wind gauges, nav instruments, and on extended legs you can spend comfortable time there in a raised captains chair with good view of the horizon and operate relatively safely.

As it is all relative. From the fly bridge at night you may well not see a submerged container or a sleeping whale either. You REALLY should be sitting on the bow.... You get my point.

[nodee]

Back on track....
First hand, fresh info on 440 performance:
Year 3 Day 96 Passage To The Galapagos - Arrival! | LeuCat Adventures
Cheers!
Kirk

[nodee]

I haven't used the joystick extensively but it seems to have a delayed response. On the other hand, the autopilot steers the boat just fine from inside the cabin and the remote control makes it even easier.
Kirk

[J Ventura]

In some of the 440's there's the joystick below and also throttles , so you can steer and and control the drives.In some others there's only the joystick , which I find somewhat stupid because why would you want to be steering a boat from below decks when your throttles are up on the bridge...?
I find the joysticks way too fiddly and think that is a almost a whole new process to learn to steer with one from that position , so I just ignore them.

[oscar]

According to sales-dude at boat show the intent of the joystick is not to provide a steering station per se, but as a means to avoid danger if it pops up while you're below and don't have time to get to the bridge.

[Canibul]

That makes sense.

How much do you use the rudder when docking using the two engines? All the docking I've done (Leopard 42) I used the throttles exclusively and left the wheel pretty much alone. It didn't seem to do much at those speeds anyhow.

[robdyson]

$25,000 a year on upkeep, that sounds alot, if i buy a 4-5yr old cat 44ft and do mantenance myself please explain where the $25k goes? ill b living aboard at anchor

[Joli]

1~2% of new replacement cost. New? $650k so figure $6,500 to $13,000 per year average. Some years will be $3,000 some years will be $20,000.

And don't forget that new replacement cost keeps going up.

Where? running rigging, standing rigging, bottom paint, sails, electronics, engine maintence, generator maintenence, fridge, a/c, canvas, gear, cushions, ground tackle, electrical, hull care,,,,, it just goes on and on....

Originally Posted by robdyson

$25,000 a year on upkeep, that sounds alot, if i buy a 4-5yr old cat 44ft and do mantenance myself please explain where the $25k goes? ill b living aboard at anchor

[zarkmud]

Originally Posted by sandy daugherty

Owners of all kinds of boats report spending 10 to 25% of the purchase price of a boat on annual expenses. Some of us don't even want to know what we spend. My budget has two categories: Boat and "non-essentials" like food and medicine.

That sounds like a massive number-are you including dockage, fuel?

[Intentional Drifter]

In the 2.5 years we've had our 44' cat, annual maintenance costs (which does not include operating costs like fuel and dockage) is running at 2% of purchase cost. However, the boat was in Bristol condition when bought and I think it is actually cheaper to keep a boat in that condition that to bring it back to Bristol from fair or good.

Included in this is the usual bottom painting, sail drive maintenance, engine maintenance, replacing worn running rigging, inspecting standing rigging, replacing pumps that break, sail repair, fixing gelcoat dings, replacing latches/hinges/gaskets that wear, sensors that go bad, etc. We have not had to replace any major system components, though. (Knock on wood, I really probably shouldn't have said that.) In the years those things happen (and it is just a matter of time), then the percentage will, of course, go up.

I really doubt that there's a lot of difference between brands of production cat or production cat vs custom build. These things are just complex machines that, if you're using it, are subject to lots of strong forces and bouncing around, all while in a corrosive environment. Yet, if you don't use it very much, then they don't like that either and corrosion really gets a chance to take hold without you being around enough to notice.

Really, nobody in their right mind looks at boating and cruising as a way to be financially conservative with their money. The bigger and more complex, the more they consume.

ID

[smcauley440]

Hey dirkdig: Don't wait get one! We have a 440. Sailed her in Beaufort 6-7. In the wrong direction mind you and she still went well. Once around the point and we were seeing double digits! Stability and performance in one package! Google the polars on this baby! Who says these cats are dogs!!! And when you get to your destination, the party will be on board you yacht! Yes there are faster better performing cats on the market no doubt, but if you are not a skilled cat sailor it can be a challenging ride for sure! Just my biased opinion!

[Raleigh]

Do you haVE THE TALL MAST OR THE 63 FT MAST?

Originally Posted by dinocuri

I own a Lagoon 440. Its not a slow boat. Average speed when I am cruising is 10knots. In a a 25 knot wind 12 knots is not a problem. Quickest I have had her was 15knots off St Peter Port in 30 knots of wind. She is desperate for new antifouling now which does slow her up !!

The raised helm position is fantastic. Its actually the best place to be when in rough seas.

[dirkdig]

What can i say we love our 440 and are so glad we bought this model.
The other night sailing down the east coast of Australia we had it flying along doing between 11 to 14 knots for 12 hours.
Every time we are in a marina or an anchorage the party is on our boat and the lagoon quality stands out.
If there is 1 negative it is the attitude of lagoon to owners that once you have one they dont give a **** and trwat thier customers like an inconvience.
I would buy another tomorrow.

Thanks to all who answered this post

Dirk

[Raleigh]

Originally Posted by dirkdig

What can i say we love our 440 and are so glad we bought this model.
The other night sailing down the east coast of Australia we had it flying along doing between 11 to 14 knots for 12 hours.
Every time we are in a marina or an anchorage the party is on our boat and the lagoon quality stands out.
If there is 1 negative it is the attitude of lagoon to owners that once you have one they dont give a **** and trwat thier customers like an inconvience.
I would buy another tomorrow.

Thanks to all who answered this post

Dirk

Dirk,

do you have the tall mast?

Raleigh

[dirkdig]

Yes we have the full mast.
We have a 165% screecher for up to 20 knots
A normal headsail and the original main which is due for replacement.
We also have a asymetrical spinaker which is really handy and a normal spinaker.
I prefer the screecher on the furler as its a bit easier to use even though the spinakers are in socks.

The asymetrical will get the boat to 10 knots by itself in 15 knots of wind if its not too loaded and the water say half full. You do feel the 900 litres when its full, a watermaker would be handy for longer trips to minimise weight.

Regards dirk