440: lagoon 440 repair- big hole in hull

[Olddan1943]

Originally Posted by harvey hellman

Here is your perfect fix, made by Lagoon tooAttachment 165170

Yup, perfect door for loading stores from the RIB or dingy.
Harvey, glad you thought of it. CHUCKLE

[Valiente]

Originally Posted by Olddan1943

Yup, perfect door for loading stores from the RIB or dingy.
Harvey, glad you thought of it. CHUCKLE

Only for under masterbed, or closet, storage! )

[Tornadosailing]

Since the OP is obviously not going to take the advice of anyone who says he shouldn't do it, I don't get the point of it all. He's already heard the opinions of experienced boat builders who correctly say it can be done. He's not going to hear the opinion of anyone who knows it's not the sort of job an inexperienced person should take on, with the help of $10 an hour guys you find hanging around the boat yard.

So get on with it already. Write the check, and start posting pics of the rebuild. We're all waiting to see it.

[Copacabana]

Originally Posted by Tornadosailing

Since the OP is obviously not going to take the advice of anyone who says he shouldn't do it, I don't get the point of it all. He's already heard the opinions of experienced boat builders who correctly say it can be done. He's not going to hear the opinion of anyone who knows it's not the sort of job an inexperienced person should take on, with the help of $10 an hour guys you find hanging around the boat yard.

So get on with it already. Write the check, and start posting pics of the rebuild. We're all waiting to see it.

Just an observation. I don't know if the OP mentioned in which country he has found qualified labour at $10 per hour (nor which currency- I'm going to assume USD). I know that in Brazil (and many other places) you can find qualfied labour at that price. I only mention this because one shouldn't be too quick to dismiss his people at $10/hour without having all the details.

I still think he should get a survey of the damage and then an estimate for repairs from a very qualified yard to see if it's worth taking on. With this in hand, he can try to do it for less by doing some of the work himself (providing he's up to it), but at least he'll have a figure for what it could cost to repair (providing the yard stands by their estimate!).

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Copacabana

Just an observation. I don't know if the OP mentioned in which country he has found qualified labour at $10 per hour (nor which currency- I'm going to assume USD). I know that in Brazil (and many other places) you can find qualfied labour at that price. I only mention this because one shouldn't be too quick to dismiss his people at $10/hour without having all the details.

I still think he should get a survey of the damage and then an estimate for repairs from a very qualified yard to see if it's worth taking on. With this in hand, he can try to do it for less by doing some of the work himself (providing he's up to it), but at least he'll have a figure for what it could cost to repair (providing the yard stands by their estimate!).

Very true.. here in Portugal I can source qualified diesel mechanics for €17/hr.. and that's from a garage not self employed.. outside in the big world not everyone is an overpriced cowboy.

[Tornadosailing]

So then it begs the question, why is the boat available for $25,000?

Why would the insurance company not fix the boat if qualified help can be had for $10 an hour? Why pay the claim for hull value if it can be repaired so cheaply?

If it's not insured, why would the owner not have it fixed himself and either continue to enjoy the boat, or sell it for much more than the repair cost?

Why aren't there a dozen well qualified boat builders lined up to buy this boat for cheap and flip it for big profits?

The only thing that makes sense is that he's trolling.

[NahanniV]

This post is intended to be helpfull to the OP.
I have no interest in the wreck.

I am standing in front of it right now.
St.Croix marine USVI.

This Marina is quite shy, almost hostile regarding damaged boats. I think they have been burned many times. Expect to pay in advance for any services, deposits covering all services and possible disposal will be required. Not cheap either, they are the only service marina on Island.

The railway that the wreck is on is not operational, I was told the boat was lifted there by crane.

As far as damage, just at a glance I see much more than what has been mentioned.

The aft end of the boat is being supported by the saildrives, they appear to be bent.

The other hull has damage as well. There is at least a serious looking crack.

See the pics.

[SV Bacchus]

That is so scary looking I don't even know why the OP is considering it. That is a real big money pit!

[Copacabana]

Originally Posted by NahanniV

This post is intended to be helpfull to the OP.
I have no interest in the wreck.

I am standing in front of it right now.
St.Croix marine USVI.

This Marina is quite shy, almost hostile regarding damaged boats. I think they have been burned many times. Expect to pay in advance for any services, deposits covering all services and possible disposal will be required. Not cheap either, they are the only service marina on Island.

The railway that the wreck is on is not operational, I was told the boat was lifted there by crane.

As far as damage, just at a glance I see much more than what has been mentioned.

The aft end of the boat is being supported by the saildrives, they appear to be bent.

The other hull has damage as well. There is at least a serious looking crack.

See the pics.

That certainly changes things ...

BTW, John, I've always enjoyed the articles you write for the sailing press.

[NahanniV]

Originally Posted by Copacabana

That certainly changes things ...

BTW, John, I've always enjoyed the articles you write for the sailing press.

Perhaps you are thinking of John Kettlewell ?
I am not published other than our blog.

[Copacabana]

Originally Posted by NahanniV

Perhaps you are thinking of John Kettlewell ?
I am not published other than our blog.

Yes, that John... I saw Finnsailer 38 in your post and I jumped to conclusions. I recall he has (had?) one too.

Anyway, thanks for the pics of the Lagoon. A big job to tackle....

[Gr8Jeepin]

I have not been on this site very long... but it is weird to me how people ask for help or information; and before long the opinions and conjecture spins the topic in wild directions.

I have been following this thread... and a lot of posts lately have been "ignore all the negative naysayers who say it cannot be done and do it!"

Yes, ANYTHING can be fixed with time and money.

However I never read any post on this topic that said it cannot be done... I have seen plenty of people that have said the repair is likely not worth the cost, especially for all the other unknown damage.

I would also find it interesting to know how many of these posts that say you can do it... would those people really take on this project for themselves?

It is easy to tell someone else to invest their time and money on such a project... but when it came right down to it, IMHO most people would smartly walk away from this mess and find a better project.

[skipmac]

Originally Posted by Gr8Jeepin

It is easy to tell someone else to invest their time and money on such a project... but when it came right down to it, IMHO most people would smartly walk away from this mess and find a better project.

With the additional photos just posted I would say even more so, run away.

I mentioned before, the only way this project could conceivably make sense:

- the OP cannot afford a boat like this but wants one.
- the OP doesn't have a job that pays more than the cost to pay for boat repairs
- the OP has ongoing income that will allow infusion of thousands of dollars on a regular basis to pay for the project.
- the OP has the skills or can gain the skills to do the job himself
- there is a place to keep the boat for at least a year, probably two or more, that won't cost an arm and a leg.

[rom]

Originally Posted by NahanniV

This post is intended to be helpfull to the OP.
I have no interest in the wreck.

Not only you and the late posters are off topic but you are disclosing information the OP did not provide. I haven't verified CF rules but this is obviously not ethical. I am shocked no one else is shocked.

[NahanniV]

Originally Posted by rom

Not only you and the late posters are off topic but you are disclosing information the OP did not provide. I haven't verified CF rules but this is obviously not ethical. I am shocked no one else is shocked.

I’m not sure what you are shocked about?

The pictures of the boat do not lie.

The information about St.Croix marine is important if the OP is thinking of dealing with them.
I don’t think I am bashing them, just stating thier policies based on my recent personal experience.

I am only providing additional information.
Isn’t that what a fourm is all about?