PV market is shut off to China

[gabilo]

Manufacturing in China will be in a few years time not be the cheap place as it was a few years back. Salaries, social insurances, taxes and many other social welfare systems have already been implemented.
With this, the standard of living, especially in and around the big cities has improved and will improve further. Whereas a few years ago leisure activities where rare in China, today this is an other matter.
Water sports activities including sailing is catching up fast, good products are already being build by Chinese manufacturers and / or by joint ventures. These products (boats) are bought locally at present but the learning curve is fast here in China and soon the export of these boats will be a common sight.
Naval architects, designers, consultants and boat builders are hired to oversee productions and build a first class product.
The boats will not be "cheap" or at a 3rd of the price because the experts are not cheap either and a decent profit margin should be desired in any business to ensure continuity.
Who will face the biggest challenge in future? In my opinion it is the mass production boat such as Hunters, Beneteau, and others, the first ones to feel the pinch will be the "smaller" motor yachts.
In the global world of today, it might make sense to build the mass production boats in a place like China, and the top of the line elsewhere, where know how and craftsmanship is available.
China bashing and looking back to days long gone will not get Europe / US any further. Here in China where I live, the changes and developments within 1 year is the equivalent of some 5 to 8 years back in Europe and probably also in the US.
There are many improvements still necessary in China, socially and in terms of human rights no question, but in the coming years also these issues will see improvements, and Europe and the US will still then struggle with their huge debts causing social instability, misery for a large part of the population and little perspective for the young.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by tropicalescape

I dont think the average joe votes republican...The Chinese and Russians are trying to drop there way of doing things in favor of the western way of doing things,and they cant go to the front of the line when doing so,they should pay there dues and respect human rights ,intellectual property rights and the like...

I fail to see what any of that. has to do with the price of solar panels.

Dave

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by tropicalescape

China has a lot of interest in sailing since the O. Games, and if they get involved in the manufactoring of boats and sundury products I think they could fab. boats that would sale for 1/3 of what they cost else where... The masters of PV technology are Germans,Swiss,and the USA, China is the leader in the, make it from someone elses tech(copy), marketing it at artifical prices (cheating) and then crying about the folks that come out and put barriers in there way to prevent them from having total control of an industrie that they contribute very little to other than cheap labor ... Chinese definitions for , R&D :copy, marketing :dumping, Intellectual property rights :what is that?... When Kissinger went to China with his ping-pong diplomacy we knew we would have to give China some time to catch up with the rest of the world, so we gave them preferentual treatment, now that it is time to play fare they have gotten the attitude that they are a world power and will make or brake rules and guide lines when they see fit, they see that you can get a lot more done if you can have a dual system of Goverment, Hong Kong is a great example of this...

Could we leave out the Fox News propaganda. Please

Dave

[capngeo]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

I fail to see what any of that. has to do with the price of solar panels.

Dave

Honestly... this thread has gone way beyond solar panels. Points made and countered, posts deleted and edited.... the time has come for the end