US coasts sea level rise 10 to 12 inches by 2050

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by rsvmille

But the algorithms very clearly indicate that after 2013 there will never be ice in the arctic - ever again. Very sad, but the science is settled. This is fact.

Said no climate scientist, ever.

[Ericson38]

Originally Posted by jackdale

You are missed the part about MCA cooling in the abstract.

No part of the Earth is currently cooling, except possibly the South Polar Ocean

https://www.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/v...cdc_lt_6.0.txt

Here are the latest NOAA SSTs for the North Atlantic frpm 1979 till now-

Look see please.

http://www.climate4you.com/images/NO...ingAverage.gif

[lestersails]

Originally Posted by Bycrick

LE — It’s nice to know that after starting in the computer business in 1963, and working quite successfully until I retired, that I don’t know anything about computers and algorithms. Or their limitations.

Well, friend, you said what you said. And as the saying goes: Good writing is clear thinking made visible. The converse of that is...

[Dieseldude]

Originally Posted by lestersails

There is just no end to the uninformed posts on this thread.

What I really wonder about - these posts are so lame and expose such ignorance - are they jokes or do people really harbor such totally uninformed rubbish?

An algorithm is designed based upon assumptions which are really just guesses. The data that they manipulate can be guess work. So the results produced are highly subjective. But they, they are high tech, so can be impressive. They lend an image of credibility. The medium is the message, so computer algorithms are fantastic for obfuscation.


People who are aware of the climate con how to discern sense from lies. But the climate change believers are an incredibly naive lot. They probably still believe in the Easter Bunny. They might even believe that rabbits are scarce because of climate change. But like climate, rabbit populations vary in natural cycles. Common sensors already know that adding a bit of "new" CO2 to the stuff that is already in the air makes no difference. They know that climate has varied for millennia independent of man. And it will continue to do so regardless of what we do. Even NASA has admitted that water vapor is the main green house gas.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Ericson38

Here are the latest NOAA SSTs for the North Atlantic frpm 1979 till now-

Look see please.

http://www.climate4you.com/images/NO...ingAverage.gif

Can you present the primary, rather than secondary data, please.

[rsvmille]

Said Al Gore, RSA Conference, 2008, Moscone Center, San Franciso.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Ericson38

Here are the latest NOAA SSTs for the North Atlantic frpm 1979 till now-

Look see please.

http://www.climate4you.com/images/NO...ingAverage.gif

Thanks.

The sampling area is small portion of the North Atlantic.



The long term trend



Annual North Atlantic sea surface temperatures between 1856 2017. The blue line is the least squares fit linear trend. A Mann Kendall trend tests shows a significant positive trend (TAU = 0.386, P = 0.000).

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...fig5_330422170

[Ericson38]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Can you present the primary, rather than secondary data, please.

https://www.nsstc.uah.edu/climate/

https://www.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/v...cdc_lt_6.0.txt

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by rsvmille

Said Al Gore, RSA Conference, 2008, Moscone Center, San Franciso.

Al Gore is not a climate scientist.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Said no climate scientist, ever.

I love how you specify climate scientist of which none actually exist unless you consider paleo climatologist.

2007 Prof. Wieslaw Maslowski from Dept. Oceanography of the US Navy predicted an ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer 2013, and said the prediction was conservative.
BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'


2007 NASA climate scientist Jay Zwally predicted that the Arctic Ocean could be nearly ice-free at the end of summer in 2012

https://www.tampabay.com/archive/200...-free-by-2012/

2008 University of Manitoba Prof. David Barber predicted an ice-free North Pole for the first time in history in 2008

Gotta wait 8 years on this one but I already say fail.
2010 Mark Serreze, director of the NSIDC predicts the Arctic will be ice free in the summer by 2030

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Dieseldude

Even NASA has admitted that water vapor is the main green house gas.

A chemistry lesson for you.

If there had been no increase in the amounts of non-condensable (i.e. CO2) greenhouse gases, the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere would not have changed with all other variables remaining the same. The addition of the non-condensable gases causes the temperature to increase and this leads to an increase in water vapor that further increases the temperature. This is an example of a positive feedback effect. The warming due to increasing non-condensable gases causes more water vapor to enter the atmosphere, which adds to the effect of the non-condensables.

https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/c...t-the-co2.html

CO2 is the driver H2) is an amplifier.

What NASA says about water vapor and CO2

Some people mistakenly believe water vapor is the main driver of Earth’s current warming. But increased water vapor doesn’t cause human-produced global warming. Instead, it’s a consequence of it. Increased water vapor in the atmosphere supercharges the warming caused by other greenhouse gases.

It works like this: as greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide and methane increase, Earth’s temperature rises in response. This increases evaporation from both water and land areas. Because warmer air holds more moisture, its concentration of water vapor increases. Specifically, this happens because water vapor does not condense and precipitate out of the atmosphere as easily at higher temperatures. The water vapor then absorbs heat radiated from Earth and prevents it from escaping out to space. This further warms the atmosphere, resulting in even more water vapor in the atmosphere. This is what scientists call a ‘positive feedback loop.’ Scientists estimate this effect more than doubles the warming that would happen due to increasing carbon dioxide alone.

https://climate.nasa.gov/ask-nasa-cl...nhouse-effect/

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Thanks.

The sampling area is small portion of the North Atlantic.



The long term trend



Annual North Atlantic sea surface temperatures between 1856 2017. The blue line is the least squares fit linear trend. A Mann Kendall trend tests shows a significant positive trend (TAU = 0.386, P = 0.000).

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...fig5_330422170

Tropical Atlantic not north atlantic . Where's the actual North Atlantic numbers?
That is what I would ask

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by jackdale

A chemistry lesson for you.


https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/c...t-the-co2.html

CO2 is the driver H2) is an amplifier.

What NASA says about water vapor and CO2


https://climate.nasa.gov/ask-nasa-cl...nhouse-effect/

Has nothing to do with the strongest grand solar maximum in recorded history.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by newhaul

I love how you specify climate scientist of which none actually exist unless you consider paleo climatologist.

2007 Prof. Wieslaw Maslowski from Dept. Oceanography of the US Navy predicted an ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer 2013, and said the prediction was conservative.
BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'


2007 NASA climate scientist Jay Zwally predicted that the Arctic Ocean could be nearly ice-free at the end of summer in 2012

https://www.tampabay.com/archive/200...-free-by-2012/

2008 University of Manitoba Prof. David Barber predicted an ice-free North Pole for the first time in history in 2008

Gotta wait 8 years on this one but I already say fail.
2010 Mark Serreze, director of the NSIDC predicts the Arctic will be ice free in the summer by 2030

Score 1 for newhaul. At least he is no longer batting zero.

[AllenRbrts]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Take out the RSS adjustment 5hat was done in 2018 bringing their numbers in line with the Ipcc required and you have it out to a .001 or 1/1000% lower than the difference from your toes to your knees in your house.

Wow.. talk about asking for the data and then making up excuses when it doesn't show what you expected. How about this... this is the RSS and UAH hottest years side by side. Same basic results.. all the recent non-El Nino years are the hottest (highlighted in red). As I said.. hotter and hotter..
RSS UAH
2006 2001
2002 2013
2003 2006
2007 2007
2013 2003
2005 2014
2014 2002
2018 2018
1998 2021
2015 2015
2021 2010
2010 2017
2017 2019
2019 1998
2016 2020
2020 2016