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KingGuppy · 15-09-2018, 12:29

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Originally Posted by riki

Hi.
Looking to buy a cruising catamaran between 36 up to 42 ft. Max budget up to 100.000 us$. Located in mediterranean would be a plus, in case not budget is lower due to VAT. I like the FP Athena looking cats but this is just to give an idea about my taste: galley up a plus. Would not step back in case the boat need repairs/maintainance.
Thank you.

Find anything yet?

Need updates!

rabbi · 15-09-2018, 14:19

I just looked for "Katamaran" and >20k Euro to filter out all the Hobie cats. Some may be abit too small, but just have a look:

The search on
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-...:/katamaran/k0
currently gives:

Bebenetau Blue @78k, with a 80k refit in 2016
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-...24721-211-9415

Woods Banshee at 39k
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-...087937-211-717

Woods Sagitta at 42k and its even in greece!
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-...20181-211-5844

Simpson wild side @ 108k, also greece
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-...23077-211-3432

Prout Quest 33@45k
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-...93877-211-6476

This guy is looking to share his FP Antigua @23k (Looks like he wants the winter months in the Canary islands, so summer would be yours!)
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-...1089-211-21250

Or dead cheap starting at 7k
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Katamaran-Ir...0AAOSwFqNZP7AA

McGregor 36 @22k
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Katamaran-MC...oAAOSwWUlauQc8

Some are maybe a bit smll to live onboard, but as a starter why not...

maxingout · 15-09-2018, 14:44

I would be very interested in seeing what a person can get for 100K with a catamaran purchase. It would likely be a vintage catamaran with lots of systems that need upgrades and replacements.

I purchased a Privilege 39 new in 1993 from the factory in France, and after twenty five years I did a refit on the boat in Florida.

I went through every system on the boat and the refit cost more than 100K.

That being said, I did a very extensive refit because I want to sail offshore through the south Pacific and back to Australia and perhaps points beyond.

I could have sailed Exit Only without many of the upgrades and updates, but I would have spent lots of time in ports around the world fixing stuff that was worn out and breaking from the rigors of sailing offshore.

An old boat that is worth 100K is a coastal cruiser as far as I am concerned. I personally would not trust my life and the life of my family to an old yacht that had not been upgraded to offshore status. But that's just me and my comfort zone.

From my own experience, I like to cruise in a well found yacht that is new or that has just come out of a major refit if I am going to sail around the world. A yacht in excellent condition will not have major maintenance problems for the first five years after a thorough refit, and that means that I have less worries about sailing offshore during those first five years. That doesn't mean that problems don't occur, but it means that I have pushed the odds in my favor for five years of relatively trouble free sailing after a proper refit.

In my experience, you get what you pay for. And if I am going to sail offshore and around the world, I want to pay upfront and get the pain over with.

Of course, you might get lucky and find an awesome catamaran at an unbelievable price.

I hope it works out for you.

rabbi · 15-09-2018, 15:19

Dave, he is looking for a liveaboard cat in greece. Not for a world cruiser. So I guess he can find something.

For world cruising: I have recently seen a 1999 Privilege 36 (or 37?) for sale at 115k Euro asking including VAT. Fully equipped returning from a very loong circumnavigation. Obviously they spent tons of money on the way renewing things as the boat had lots of recent upgrades.

The best deals for a newer boat meeting the OPs requirements was a 2008 FP Mahe sold for 89k Euro ex Tax about a month or two ago. Add VAT and your just above the budget...

BTW: This Aventura 33 is almost new but has a strange blue interior, looks like a drug addict painted it. Its already cheap t 100k but maybe you can get it even cheaper:
https://www.yachtworld.de/Boote/2017...g#.W52FOlQzZaQ

riki · 16-09-2018, 00:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingGuppy

Find anything yet?

Need updates!

riki · 16-09-2018, 00:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabbi

I just looked for "Katamaran" and >20k Euro to filter out all the Hobie cats. Some may be abit too small, but just have a look:

The search on
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-...:/katamaran/k0
currently gives:

Bebenetau Blue @78k, with a 80k refit in 2016
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-...24721-211-9415

Woods Banshee at 39k
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-...087937-211-717

Woods Sagitta at 42k and its even in greece!
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-...20181-211-5844

Simpson wild side @ 108k, also greece
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-...23077-211-3432

Prout Quest 33@45k
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-...93877-211-6476

This guy is looking to share his FP Antigua @23k (Looks like he wants the winter months in the Canary islands, so summer would be yours!)
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-...1089-211-21250

Or dead cheap starting at 7k
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Katamaran-Ir...0AAOSwFqNZP7AA

McGregor 36 @22k
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Katamaran-MC...oAAOSwWUlauQc8

Some are maybe a bit smll to live onboard, but as a starter why not...

Thanx mate, that's very kind from you.

riki · 16-09-2018, 10:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxingout

I would be very interested in seeing what a person can get for 100K with a catamaran purchase. It would likely be a vintage catamaran with lots of systems that need upgrades and replacements.

I purchased a Privilege 39 new in 1993 from the factory in France, and after twenty five years I did a refit on the boat in Florida.

I went through every system on the boat and the refit cost more than 100K.

That being said, I did a very extensive refit because I want to sail offshore through the south Pacific and back to Australia and perhaps points beyond.

I could have sailed Exit Only without many of the upgrades and updates, but I would have spent lots of time in ports around the world fixing stuff that was worn out and breaking from the rigors of sailing offshore.

An old boat that is worth 100K is a coastal cruiser as far as I am concerned. I personally would not trust my life and the life of my family to an old yacht that had not been upgraded to offshore status. But that's just me and my comfort zone.

From my own experience, I like to cruise in a well found yacht that is new or that has just come out of a major refit if I am going to sail around the world. A yacht in excellent condition will not have major maintenance problems for the first five years after a thorough refit, and that means that I have less worries about sailing offshore during those first five years. That doesn't mean that problems don't occur, but it means that I have pushed the odds in my favor for five years of relatively trouble free sailing after a proper refit.

In my experience, you get what you pay for. And if I am going to sail offshore and around the world, I want to pay upfront and get the pain over with.

Of course, you might get lucky and find an awesome catamaran at an unbelievable price.

I hope it works out for you.

Thank you sir, i guess you're right, but as Rabbi pointed out i am not looking for a super upgraded/updated ready to circumnavigate vessel, it's not my intention and anyway i am very conscient of the limitations of my budget.
That said, looking at the market since some time, i have to say that i might belong to the optimist's clan, but i have to say that the same occurs to the sellers that have a dreamer's clan too. There are plenty of boats that are being advertized for prices that i can't believe they are ever being sold for: 80/90/100k for 20/30 years old vessels that even in pictures look like in need of work/$$$ to get in order, or boats built by semi unknown builders with strange layouts for prices (that for the age i guess must be paid cash) that i really wonder "who is the idiot will ever unload that amount of money for that thing).....so....yes, it's not easy to find an equilibrium......maybe just waiting for some sellers understand they're out of market? Who knows....
That said, what a wonderful boat you've got, would be one of my favourite options if in my price range.
Cheers

maxingout · 16-09-2018, 11:15

Good luck on the search. You might just be at the right place at the right time.

fcftampa · 17-09-2018, 05:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabbi

I just looked for "Katamaran" and >20k Euro to filter out all the Hobie cats. Some may be abit too small, but just have a look:

The search on
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-...:/katamaran/k0
currently gives:

Thank you for the ebay kleinanzeigen source.
I hope others with "secret" sources for used boats shared them as well.

rabbi · 17-09-2018, 05:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by fcftampa

Thank you for the ebay kleinanzeigen source.
I hope others with "secret" sources for used boats shared them as well.

That website has taken off in recent years for many most often bulky things, not just boats.

Many small / old boats are sold through these websites now. No broker wants to deal with old 20k Euro boats.

I have seen a few nice boats, sometimes also dead cheap ones with some uncommon setup. Like a Catalac 9 with a fairly recent hybrid system (one side diesel with large alternator, other side electric). Last asking was around 15k IIRC (not sure).

BowmanMarketing · 17-09-2018, 08:26

Bunch of nice pre-owned on United Yacht Catamarans. Hope that helps.

fcftampa · 18-09-2018, 07:03

It helps a little. Most are aware of Yachtworld, Yatco, IYBA multiple listing services. These more 'obscure' sites like that classifieds/ebay in Germany are more interesting for those like the OP and what they are looking for.
I'll add another one:
Katamaran - Bootsmarkt