Ship hits submerged object?

[CrispyCringle]

Think about the purpose of a military submarine. Why would there be subs patrolling the Great Lakes?

[Kelkara]

Originally Posted by CrispyCringle

Think about the purpose of a military submarine. Why would there be subs patrolling the Great Lakes?

Not all subs are military ... gotta get the loot from the Great Canadian Maple Syrup Heist to the cross-border market somehow.

[Greatest Lakes]

Originally Posted by CrispyCringle

Think about the purpose of a military submarine. Why would there be subs patrolling the Great Lakes?

Canadians...

We actually have a big problem with human trafficking though.

There are a few museum subs around, I think 1-2 that can still operate, at least on the surface.

Also, we do have some old ships on the great lakes that still look pretty good thanks to the fresh water. The stress on the hull from age and wave stresses is what I expect to hear as the culprit.

[Rocinante33]

Fun facts….and slight pedant mode

The Rush-Bagot Treaty that ended the War of 1812 essentially demilitarized the Great Lakes. The US (somewhat in an inferior position globally, if not on the Great Lakes) agreed with Britain to limit naval vessels to one each of 100 tons on Lake Ontario and one cannon, 18 pounds. The other Lakes were limited to two ‘of like burden’ each.

Thus the US/Canada border being the longest demilitarized frontier on earth.

The USCG increased their firepower in the early 2000s citing smuggling and terrorism threat (what else?) and Canada chose to not interpret it as armaments. There was some other interesting haggling during the world wars.

I believe, but can’t cite proof, that this does not apply to Lake Michigan as it lies wholly in the US, but submarines are not going to transit the Chicago Sanitary Canal.

So no. No submarines on the Great Lakes.

[JPA Cate]

Ah, well, the Chicago Sanitary Canal at least provides adequate depth for 7 ft. draft sailboats to head south and exit into the Gulf of Mexico.

This is not to say it it either sanitary or delightful, but it is a secure way south.

Ann

[GordMay]

In 1919, the WWI German mine-laying submarine, “UC-97" reached Lake Superior.
The sub had been allotted to the U.S. after having been surrendered to the British, after the war. She was on the last part of her Victory Bond tour, of the Great Lakes, and was scheduled to visit Lake Superior ports, but after clearing the Sault Ste. Marie locks, into Lake Superior, she had engine problems and turned back.
She returned to Chicago, to fulfil the terms of armistice, but the German sub was scuttled, in Lake Michigan, in June 1921, about 20-30 miles from shore, by shots from the USS “Wilmette”.

In July 1985, the research submarine “Johnson Sea-Link II” carried the first humans to the deep bottom of Lake Superior, the world’s largest freshwater lake. It was the first ever submarine expedition in the lake, and was part of a month-long research project into fish life, water quality and lake-bottom geology, including probing the lake’s deepest part, more than 1,300 feet below surface.
Funded $500,000 by the National Ocean and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), the project was directed by Michigan State University, and the University of Connecticut. The three-phase project covered Whitefish Bay, Keweenawan Peninsula and Isle Royale.
Several dozen scientists took turns going down with the sub’s crew, in the four-person, 22-foot long, battery-powered submarine, and used searchlights to penetrate the inky darkness of the lake’s deep bottom, at 1,319 feet. One scientist told reporters after the dive:
“It was spectacular. No one has ever done this before.”
They saw two species of fish—burbot and sculpin—and rocks covered with red jellyfish-like creatures, called hydra.

The famous two-man yellow submarine, of explorer Jacques Cousteau, in 1980, was the first manned-sub, to briefly explore the “Edmund Fitzgerald”, 530 feet below surface. In the 1990s, a few more submarine expeditions reached the “Fitzgerald”, before it became illegal to dive to the “Fitzgerald”.

[sanibel sailor]

U Boat in the Great Lakes.

https://www.msichicago.org/explore/w...rip-to-chicago

Although I agree that it is obviously aliens. Any thinking person can figure that out. No mention at all by Big Media. They are part of the Deep State operation covering it up. They don't want to alarm the sheeple. The fatigue theory is just a diversion. Everyone knows the ship just left port so was well rested before the trip began.

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by Rocinante33

……….
So no. No submarines on the Great Lakes.

The submarines would in the Great Lakes.

Now join the dots.

Media reports a collision, not an allision thus the ship hit a vessel, not an object but no other vessel was visible, ipso facto, the vessel was underwater.

The report said the ship hit a submerged object which is code for 'a sub merged into the ship'.

The damage to the ship occurred in a military exercise area, what are the chances of an accidental hull split occurring in the one area where a sub might be lurking.

But yeah, it is more likely to be aliens

[Mike OReilly]

I'm still bettin' it was Mishipizheu.

[Iron E]

Originally Posted by Kelkara

Not all subs are military ... gotta get the loot from the Great Canadian Maple Syrup Heist to the cross-border market somehow.

Ahh, Montreal's Maple Mafia...

polite, yet ruthless.

[Jim Cate]

My theory: Radical neo-nazis have stolen the U-505 from the Museum of Science and Industry and were trying to escape to further their invidious plans to destroy democracy. Because they don't read CF they don't know COLREGS and failed to give way to the bulker resulting in the collision.

Bastards! People like them shouldn't be allowed on the high seas or big lakes.

Jim

[DougR]

Next thing you know the famous German U boat " Black Panther" will rise from its resting spot on the bottom of the Potomac River near Washington DC and start harassing shipping on Chesapeake Bay.

[Thomas1985]

There are several charted military exercise areas in the Great Lakes.

There are also several “unexploded ordnance” areas that note to call authorities if you encounter one.

[sanibel sailor]

The usual way of knowing you encountered unexploded ordinance is that it is not unexploded any more.

[SuW]

This is the last submarine I remember seeing on the Great Lakes. Upbound into the lock at Iroquois, 2011.