TS5 Hallucine capsizes off Spain, hit UFO

[fivecapes]

https://voilesetvoiliers.ouest-franc...1-64af5fb563fa

One on watch crew missing.

Owner Regis Guillemot and 2 crew picked up by freighter.

She took line honors in the latest ARC.

https://www.is.fi/kotimaa/art-2000007609445.html

[B23iL23]

Oh dear. that's not good. Fingers crossed for the missing crew but I fear he/she is lost.

[GordMay]

Marc Guillemot (cousin) said: "the person on watch outside was taken away, his body was found 36 hours later"... Régis told me that when they were picked up by the freighter, Hallucine was full of water in its rear part, the bows were pointing upwards and there was carbon debris.”

[noelex 77]

Very sad. Condolences to all concerned.

Interestingly, the boat was equipped with a sophisticated electronic system to automatically release the main if certain heel angles were reached, but it is not clear at this stage what factors resulted in the capsize.

In a collision with debris, such a system would not have been expected to offer much protection. The high speed combined with the lightweight carbon fibre construction may have been more significant factors.

Cruising yachts are evolving rapidly and I hope we see an informed analysis of the factors involved in this tragedy.

[B23iL23]

Inclined to agree. This is (was) a lightweight cat and in 20 knots of wind would be going a fair clip. They did mention they hit something and there was carbon floating around but looking at the image of the upturned hull I can see no damage - So not sure what the reason was for the capsize.

Originally Posted by noelex 77

Very sad. Condolences to all concerned.

Interestingly, the boat was equipped with a sophisticated electronic system to automatically release the main if certain heel angles were reached, but it is not clear at this stage what factors resulted in the capsize.

In a collision with debris, such a system would not have been expected to offer much protection. The high speed combined with the lightweight carbon fibre construction may have been more significant factors.

Cruising yachts are evolving rapidly and I hope we see an informed analysis of the factors involved in this tragedy.

[170122]

We lost our Friend Capt Yves Pelisson, experienced capt with more than 40 years dealing with boat.
Not sure what they hit but for sure tragic.

[fxykty]

The first linked article says they had two reefs in, so probably not excessive speed.

I’m considering adding the UpSideUp system to our boat and certainly would like to know why it didn’t work, if it was in fact installed and operational.

[Sos]

A tragic loss - condolences to everyone involved.
Lets hope we can all learn from it once/if more details are know.

Could it have hit something with the starboard dagger board and tripped over that?

[arsenelupiga]

Condolences.

two vey thin hulls with high bridgedeck clearance do not provide great side stability for shocks especially when married by larger speeds. something for architects to look deeper into.

[Sailing4Jesus]

Originally Posted by fivecapes

https://voilesetvoiliers.ouest-franc...1-64af5fb563fa

One on watch crew missing.

Owner Regis Guillemot and 2 crew picked up by freighter.

She took line honors in the latest ARC.

https://www.is.fi/kotimaa/art-2000007609445.html

That is why I would not sail a CAT even if it were given to me FREE. They are DANGEROUS and UNSAFE. For if Flipped Over its Goodbye Forever. Not so with a MONO HULL.

Senior Chief USN RETIRED

[s/v Jedi]

Hulls look undamaged so no collision... maybe she pitchpoled?

[fxykty]

Originally Posted by noelex 77

Very sad. Condolences to all concerned.



Interestingly, the boat was equipped with a sophisticated electronic system to automatically release the main if certain heel angles were reached, but it is not clear at this stage what factors resulted in the capsize.



In a collision with debris, such a system would not have been expected to offer much protection. The high speed combined with the lightweight carbon fibre construction may have been more significant factors.



Cruising yachts are evolving rapidly and I hope we see an informed analysis of the factors involved in this tragedy.

UpSideUp confirmed that their system is an option on the TS5 boats but was not installed on Hallucine.

It is not known what happened so who knows whether a load cell exception and blown sheet would have prevented a capsize.

What may have happened is that they hit something (broke a daggerboard so no visible damage, or if solid bows like ours then very little visible damage to a bow knuckle) and radically slowed down, increasing the apparent wind, which led to a pitch pole. Possibly, we don’t yet know what happened.

[fxykty]

Originally Posted by arsenelupiga

Condolences.



two vey thin hulls with high bridgedeck clearance do not provide great side stability for shocks especially when married by larger speeds. something for architects to look deeper into.

?????

Width of the hull has nothing to do with righting moment nor stability.

The height of bridgedeck clearance has nothing to do with righting moment nor stability.

Your cat is relatively heavy, so it has wide hulls to provide the underwater volume to support that displacement. A lighter cat such as the TS5 can have narrower hulls as it needs less volume underwater.

[fxykty]

Originally Posted by Sailing4Jesus

That is why I would not sail a CAT even if it were given to me FREE. They are DANGEROUS and UNSAFE. For if Flipped Over its Goodbye Forever. Not so with a MONO HULL.



Senior Chief USN RETIRED

Fixed it for you:

These stories are why I would not sail a MONOHULL even if it were given to me FREE. They are DANGEROUS and UNSAFE. For if it Sinks it’s Goodbye Forever. Not so with a CATAMARAN.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-...XZBA4IVJZ335Y/

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/one-de...VEU62ZVSFHR2U/

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/wat...QKR2JKRZVEEKA/

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/collis...IH6V7IKQQPZH4/

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/four-r...F3VU6IUNYTFLE/

Bonus issue with monohulls: getting hit by a swinging boom!!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police...VKU6B5MSXVUTA/

[Yihang]

I noticed nobody on Hallucine was wearing a tether on the ARC. I know the argument is at 20 knots you go over you drown from being dragged, but in this case it might have saved his life. I wonder if it's a culture/peer pressure thing but I noticed no one in a Mausaudon video ever wears a tether. Surely it's not too much of a bother to have a MOB AIS device and a tether when you are helming alone on a crossing.