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Popcorn · 19-12-2021, 01:54

LITHIUM IRON PHOSPHATE VS. LITHIUM-ION: DIFFERENCES AND ADVANTAGES
Anton Beck
Written by Anton Beck
Posted on September 20, 2019 at 1:48 PM
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When using power sources to run embedded components, it's not always simple to pop in a fresh set of batteries. Newer technologies, from smartphones to electric vehicles to portable power tools, require batteries that can hold a significant amount of energy, be lightweight enough to carry or move, and be safe for the user. Lithium batteries offer all these benefits for portable electronics, vehicles, medical equipment, and even grid energy storage.

Lithium-ion and Lithium iron phosphate are two types of batteries used in today's portable electronics. While they both share some similarities, there are Major Differences in high-energy density, long life cycles, and safety. Most people are familiar with lithium-ion as they most likely own a smartphone, tablet, or PC. Lithium iron phosphate is a Newer type of battery gaining recognition in the manufacturing industries due to its cost-effective materials and stability with high temperatures.

Chemistries Of Lithium Iron Phosphate And Lithium-Ion
Charge and discharge rates of a battery are governed by C-rates. The capacity of a battery is commonly rated at 1C, meaning that a fully charged battery rated at 1Ah should provide 1A for one hour. The same battery discharging at 0.5C should provide 500mA for two hours, and at 2C it delivers 2A for 30 minutes.

Lithium-Ion
Lithium-ion can consist of two different chemistries for the cathode, lithium manganese oxide or lithium cobalt dioxide, as both have a graphite anode. It has a specific energy of 150/200 watt-hours per kilogram and a nominal voltage of 3.6V. Its charge rate is from 0.7C up to 1.0C as higher charges can significantly damage the battery. Lithium-ion has a discharge rate of 1C.

Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO4)
Lithium iron phosphate has a cathode of iron phosphate and an anode of graphite. It has a specific energy of 90/120 watt-hours per kilogram and a nominal voltage of 3.20V or 3.30V. The charge rate of lithium iron phosphate is 1C and the discharge rate of 1-25C.

What Are The Energy Level Differences?
There are significant differences in energy when comparing lithium-ion and lithium iron phosphate. Lithium-ion has a higher energy density at 150/200 Wh/kg versus lithium iron phosphate at 90/120 Wh/kg. So, lithium-ion is normally the go-to source for power hungry electronics that drain batteries at a high rate.

On the other hand, the discharge rate for lithium iron phosphate outmatches lithium-ion. At 25C, lithium iron phosphate batteries have voltage discharges that are excellent when at higher temperatures. The discharge rate doesn't significantly degrade the lithium iron phosphate battery as the capacity is reduced.

Life Cycle Differences
Lithium iron phosphate has a lifecycle of 1,000-10,000 cycles. These batteries can handle high temperatures with minimal degradation. They have a long life for applications that have embedded systems or need to run for long lengths of time before needing to be charged.

For lithium-ion, the higher energy density makes it more unstable, especially when dealing with higher operating temperature environments. It has a life cycle of 500-1,000 cycles as it can be negatively impacted based on the operating temperature of the electronics or working components.

Long-Term Storage Benefits
When it comes to storing unused batteries, it is important to pick a chemistry that doesn't lose its charge over long periods of time. Instead, the battery should give close to the same charge performance as when it is used for over a year. Both lithium iron phosphate and lithium ion have good long-term storage benefits. Lithium iron phosphate can be stored longer as it has a 350-day shelf life. For lithium-ion, the shelf life is roughly around 300 days.

Safety Advantages Of Lithium Iron Phosphate
Manufacturers across industries turn to lithium iron phosphate for applications where safety is a factor. Lithium iron phosphate has excellent thermal and chemical stability. This battery stays cool in higher temperatures. It is also incombustible when it is mishandled during rapid charges and discharges or when there are short circuit issues. Lithium iron phosphate does not normally experience thermal runaway, as the phosphate cathode will not burn or explode during overcharging or overheating as the battery remains cool.

However, the chemistry of lithium-ion does not have the same safety advantages as lithium iron phosphate. Its high energy density has the disadvantage of causing the battery to be unstable. It heats up faster during charging as a lithium-ion battery can experience thermal runaway.

Another safety advantage of lithium iron phosphate involves the disposal of the battery after use or failure. A lithium-ion battery made with a lithium cobalt dioxide chemistry is considered a hazardous material as it can cause allergic reactions to the eyes and skin when exposed. It can also cause severe medical issues when swallowed. So, special disposal considerations must be made for lithium-ion. On the other hand, lithium iron phosphate is nontoxic and can be disposed of more easily by manufacturers.

Applications For Lithium Iron Phosphate And Lithium-Ion
Lithium iron phosphate is sought after for any electronics or machines where safety and longevity are desired but doesn't need an extremely high energy density. Electric motors for vehicles, medical devices, and military applications where the technology will experience higher environmental temperatures. Lithium iron phosphate is also ideal for applications that are more stationary as the battery is slightly heavier as well as bulkier than lithium-ion, although it can be used in some portable technologies.

Lithium iron phosphate may not be selected for applications where portability is a major factor due to its extra weight. For smartphones, laptops, and tablet devices, lithium-ion batteries are used. Any high-energy device that needs the best performance on the first day can benefit from the chemistry found on lithium-ion batteries.

Besides looking for the right energy sources based on portability, safety and energy density, manufacturers also must consider the costs during the production of electronics as well as during disposal. Many manufacturers will select lithium iron phosphate as the cheaper battery alternative. The batteries cost less due to the safer iron phosphate chemistry as manufacturers don't have to spend more money to recycle the materials.

Lithium Offering A Range Of Benefits
Advances in battery technologies has placed lithium chemistry at the head of the pack for being the best power source for high energy use devices that are portable. It's long shelf life and the benefit in providing a continuous source of power over long periods of time is why both lithium-ion and lithium iron phosphate are reliable alternatives.

Currently, lithium batteries are still on the pricey side when compared to nickel metal hydride and nickel cadmium batteries. Yet, the long life of lithium batteries can equal out the initial high costs. For manufacturers trying to decide whether lithium-ion or lithium iron phosphate will be ideal for applications, consider these key factors:

Highest energy density: lithium-ion
Good energy density and lifecycle: lithium iron phosphate
Stable chemical and thermal chemistry: lithium iron phosphate
No thermal runaway and safe when fully charged: lithium iron phosphate
Portability and lightweight characteristics: lithium-ion
Long life: lithium iron phosphate and lithium-ion
Low costs: lithium iron phosphate
Also, take the operating environment into serious consideration as well as any vibration issues that may be experienced. These instances may influence a manufacturer's choices as the chemistry stability that lithium iron phosphate offers are superior than that of lithium-ion.
Popcorns comments:
I feel there are also questions to be answered by lets say the boating and aircraft industry, in addition to the vehicle industry. For solar recharging it seems like the charge will be quicker, making charging, as Tesla is doing, shorter so that a complete charge can be obtained for road travel and possibly on the water. If this is possible, than L iron batteries may become the next revolution of batteries to focus on..
Many possibilities, boundaries etc.
Thoughts?

goboatingnow · 19-12-2021, 03:23

What's your point. Your post is about 5 years too late , Boats are all using LFP

Hartleyg · 19-12-2021, 06:31

What he said - your post would have been appropriate in maybe 2015? Fwiw, what you're calling "Lithium Ion" should actually be "Lithium Ion Polymer".

CatNewBee · 19-12-2021, 06:37

All Lithim batteries use Lithium Ions.

As all Lead acid batteries use Lead Ions.

Basically all batteries use Ions, otherwise there will be not a potential difference / charge on the battery poles. Ions and Electrons are the heart of any chemistry.

Puget Dan · 19-12-2021, 11:02

Thanks for posting this comparison especially for those of us who have not stayed on top of the battery advancements.

Popcorn · 19-12-2021, 11:56

For the geeks of Ion batteries, we non-geeks now know, and appreciate being late than never.
You guys or gals may know things on top of everyone, but we non-geeks need to be refreshed, however, the details presented was not to be a know it all, but to those that need brushing up on batteries when we buy something we really don't know the facts, it is interesting that those that don't know appreciate it more than you do.
So, what is the advantage to own lithium ion Polymer batteries, since you seem to know more than we do?

Popcorn · 19-12-2021, 12:10

Thanks Dan, I appreciate your comment. Popcorn from the PNW, Anacortes is always interested in upgrades, but it is difficult to figure this out when two rather very close battery specifications make it different. I bought my AGM's about seven plus years ago and paid one third of the price. 'They' say these batteries are five years ago in development advancements, so with all the extra added equipment to properly operate Lithium batteries, makes me believe that other than being lighter in weight I wanted to know more about them, but find so many different opinions, that just reading the thread I made makes it confusion at best.
It really is not that old, but something better than (5yrs ago) the thread, must have been developed since, so what are they? Or, does it mean that we are still using a 5yr old technology? Are they selling both? By reading the thread it seems like there was an advancement of one of them, making it more improved in heat and time of operation.
So these are my POINTS, that are important to non-geeks.
Thanks

jmschmidt · 19-12-2021, 12:23

Very good analysis by Popcorn. Just remember that various isotopes of lithium deuteride are used as second stage fuel for thermonuclear weapons, aka hydrogen bombs.

Popcorn · 19-12-2021, 12:58

Hi jmschmidt, thanks.
Does the various isotopes make it flamable if in high heat environments?

CarinaPDX · 19-12-2021, 14:08

FWIW Elon Musk's new 4680 cells for his battery packs are lithium iron. He will be using them in his Cybertruck and his big truck rig, and probably further down the product line as well.

Greg

sailone3032 · 19-12-2021, 14:22

To be in front of the technology game. one must discuss solid state Li ion Batteries. These will be the game changer for safety, power density and speed of charge. but unfortunately they Weill not be readyfot boats or cars for another couple of years.

CarinaPDX · 19-12-2021, 15:03

The last word has not been written on rechargeable batteries. The technology will continue to move ahead. At some point in the not-so-distant future I expect that a different chemistry from lithium will come to the fore. The supply of lithium is going to be a constraint for what we need to do with batteries in transportation, homes and buildings, and something else will fill at least some of that need. Perhaps sodium-ion batteries will be part of that. Expect change...

Greg

goboatingnow · 19-12-2021, 17:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarinaPDX

The last word has not been written on rechargeable batteries. The technology will continue to move ahead. At some point in the not-so-distant future I expect that a different chemistry from lithium will come to the fore. The supply of lithium is going to be a constraint for what we need to do with batteries in transportation, homes and buildings, and something else will fill at least some of that need. Perhaps sodium-ion batteries will be part of that. Expect change...

Greg

It’s actually cobalt which is likely to be the constraint.