Australian quarantine equality?

[Uncle Bob]

Originally Posted by daletournier

Factor, I'm 100% aware it's a Qld state government directive, read back through the many posts and you'll see this has been mentioned numerous times, it's also been mentioned that the police and borderforce have no power in regards to this.

Dale, I think Factor is merely trying to make the point to those that are ill informed and/or ignorant of the governance of Australia.

[Alan Mighty]

Originally Posted by Factor

So glad we dont have a so called bill of rights, we saw how that ended up for the USA

Amazing that the Aus Capital Territory has had a Bill of Rights since 2004, no?

Further amazing that the English legal system has a "bill of rights" spread historically over the 1215 Magna Carta, and various bits of law (including Habeus Corpus from 1679 and a so-named Bill of Rights in 1689), no?

One point worth noting is that the ACT Bill of Rights is statute law, which can be repealed or modified at will by a vote in the legislature.

The US Bill of Rights is entrenched and would likely require a personal dictatorship to revoke it.

Few things are perfect. Given that the US has an entrenched Bill of Rights, have you wondered why it was necessary, following the US Civil War, to add amendments 13, 14, and 15 to the US Constitution?

Or that some states in the US thought it necessary to necessary to work towards an Equal Rights Amendment until Notorious RBG pointed out that Amendment #14 applied to people white and black, male and female?

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by Factor

Nothing to do with any federal memeber and or senator, Purely a Qld Government issue.

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Again - nothing to do with any federal government agency - official - politician - NOTHING ZERO ZIP ZILCH.

It amazes me how little people understand about our federal system?

While I agree Dale's now resolved issue is solely with the Qld gov; blind freddy can see there is pollie interaction between state and federal spheres - for better or worse. We have a duty to let all of our pollies know how/what we are thinking month to month between the elections. YMMV.

[RaymondR]

"It amazes me how little people understand about our federal system?"

And if you try to explain it and why there is no bill of rights in our constitution and the abuses it excuses where state based ones have been introduced you'll get censored.

[daletournier]

Originally Posted by Wotname

While I agree Dale's now resolved issue is solely with the Qld gov; blind freddy can see there is pollie interaction between state and federal spheres - for better or worse. We have a duty to let all of our pollies know how/what we are thinking month to month between the elections. YMMV.

Absolutely, we should have spirited debates and voices that are heard, its important.

[Factor]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

"It amazes me how little people understand about our federal system?"

And if you try to explain it and why there is no bill of rights in our constitution and the abuses it excuses where state based ones have been introduced you'll get censored.

Nope the system started as a state based system, section 51 of the Australian constitution outline federal powers, anything not in there is a state power/function.

[UFO]

Dale, you may have wished you never came home - Victoria is extending and increasing it's emergency powers until a minimum of April next year. Have a read of the link its like something from an Orwellian nightmare - and these are just the amendments As if the Bio Security act of 2015 was not bad enough.



How long before this spreads to the rest of the country?


https://content.legislation.vic.gov....ppBMF0uBghcQkQ

[Factor]

Originally Posted by daletournier

Factor, I'm 100% aware it's a Qld state government directive, read back through the many posts and you'll see this has been mentioned numerous times, it's also been mentioned that the police and borderforce have no power in regards to this.

My apologies to you if I implied that, guenuinely was just trying to inform the crowd that it isn't a federal issue and even if the prime minister told QLD they had to let you in without quarantine, that has no lawful effect. Again my apologies.

[daletournier]

Originally Posted by Factor

My apologies to you if I implied that, guenuinely was just trying to inform the crowd that it isn't a federal issue and even if the prime minister told QLD they had to let you in without quarantine, that has no lawful effect. Again my apologies.

No problems mate, thanks for your imput.

[daletournier]

Originally Posted by UFO

Dale, you may have wished you never came home - Victoria is extending and increasing it's emergency powers until a minimum of April next year. Have a read of the link its like something from an Orwellian nightmare - and these are just the amendments As if the Bio Security act of 2015 was not bad enough.



How long before this spreads to the rest of the country?


https://content.legislation.vic.gov....ppBMF0uBghcQkQ

What's that saying?

If you want to test a mans character ,dont give him adversity, give him power!

[gatorman49]

Originally Posted by daletournier

How do I get a refund of my life minutes?

What about the fact I have committed no crime and I have no criminal record yet I'm being held against my will and have two police officers standing at my door? Even the negative covid result means nothing.

They must have an excess numbers of cops in AU or the crime rate has dropped significantly. Two X 8 hours X 24 hours in a day, days off, etc. nice police budget!!!

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by gatorman49

They must have an excess numbers of cops in AU or the crime rate has dropped significantly. Two X 8 hours X 24 hours in a day, days off, etc. nice police budget!!!

Nah, they're just a little more laid back in Queensland and have them to spare when these contingencies occur.

Now down in the state of Victoria they had so many police assigned to arresting dog walking grandmothers and pyjama clad, pregnant mothers that they did not have police to enforce quarantine and had to use barroom bouncers and the virus got loose.

The basic training of bouncers and police is functionally apposed, bouncers are trained to keep trouble makers out and police to keep them in, it was bound to end up in a disaster.

I dunno if the various responses starved the virus of new victims but it certainly fed the xenophobia and paranoia.

[JAFO]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

they did not have police to enforce quarantine and had to use barroom bouncers and the virus got loose.

And you complain about others giving misinformation.

They weren't bouncers.. they were trained and registered security personnel, working for registered security companies. Granted, not trained in proper covid procedures, but's that's on their incompetent & corrupt employers, not on them personally.

Still, at least they (and the privately owned nursing homes) disproved the oft-repeated right-wing claim that private enterprise is more efficient and effective than letting govt depts (like the police) handle the public good. Clearly, private enterprise can't be trusted to do the right thing when it counts.

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by JAFO

And you complain about others giving misinformation.

They weren't bouncers.. they were trained and registered security personnel, working for registered security companies. Granted, not trained in proper covid procedures, but's that's on their incompetent & corrupt employers, not on them personally.

Still, at least they (and the privately owned nursing homes) disproved the oft-repeated right-wing claim that private enterprise is more efficient and effective than letting govt depts (like the police) handle the public good. Clearly, private enterprise can't be trusted to do the right thing when it counts.

I'm fine with misinformation, as an older Australian I recognize BS on sight. It's humorlessness I have a problem with.

Ultimately their "incompetent & corrupt" employer was the Victorian government, so I'll agree with you on that one.

I'm old enough to remember all the royal commissions and other inquiries into state furnished retirement homes. There is a damned good reason the Australian population does not trust governments with vital matters such as food supply and housing.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by UFO

Dale, you may have wished you never came home - Victoria is extending and increasing it's emergency powers until a minimum of April next year. Have a read of the link its like something from an Orwellian nightmare - and these are just the amendments As if the Bio Security act of 2015 was not bad enough.



How long before this spreads to the rest of the country?


https://content.legislation.vic.gov....ppBMF0uBghcQkQ

It hasn't spread to Victoria yet... much of that bill was chucked out of state parliament yesterday..