Canadian COVID-19 News

[Scorpius]

It's a HUGE problem for the many Canadians who have first or second homes there and have not been able to get to them since the pandemic began.

[Stu Jackson]

Originally Posted by N Coast Murray

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Do these unvaccinated people have no shame in how their choice is negatively impacting other people who's surgeries are being postponed, or forcing injured people to be transferred to other cities?

Murray,


No, they simply don't. No shame, no empathy, no sense of what a civil society is.


Their freedumb never gets to them even when they're dying from Covid denying its existence and asking for horse dewormer.


Sad to say that's altogether a true story. Too damn often.


They don't read, they don't think and their first impulse is nastiness, viciousness and physical abuse.


But they're the victims here, right?


They make me sick. And could, literally, those ba$tards.


And then there's this angle:


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/27/o...-fairness.html

[Pelagic]

Originally Posted by sv_pelagia

Skorpius: unfortunately, no amount of evidence-based argument/facts will convince some, their brains aren't wired that way.

Yes, I would think now it can easily be quantified from the last 3 months of data.
How many fully vaccinated have died?
How many non vaccinated have died?

[NaClyDog]

Originally Posted by Pelagic

Yes, I would think now it can easily be quantified from the last 3 months of data.
How many fully vaccinated have died?
How many non vaccinated have died?

When the non vaccinated are blaming the vaccinated for spreading the virus... no amount of data will convince those people.

[desodave]

Originally Posted by NaClyDog

When the non vaccinated are blaming the vaccinated for spreading the virus... no amount of data will convince those people.

I have always understood that vaccinated people could spread the virus, but are much less likely to than the unvaccinated. I also understand that they are much less likely to catch the virus in the first place. This is a recent article to that end;
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...-covid/620161/


Imo the way that argument was used is just a red herring designed to distract from the issue being discussed and the data put forward. You are correct that there will be "no amount of data that will convince". The virus will continue to circulate - it's not going to magically disappear - but we can vaccinate our way out of a healthcare crisis because of it.

[Scorpius]

Originally Posted by Pelagic

Yes, I would think now it can easily be quantified from the last 3 months of data.
How many fully vaccinated have died?
How many non vaccinated have died?

In British Columbia, as of September 15 (the last date for which data are available, 4,053,738 or 87.5% of those eligible (aged 12 and over) have been vaccinated. 579,105 (12.5%) have not.

During the 13 weeks (~3months) between June 19 and September 15, 147 people have died of Covid-19 in British Columbia. Of those 22 were vaccinated, 125 were not.

So, of the vaccinated population (22/4,053738*100)=.00054% died in the 3 month period selected. Of the unvaccinated population (125/579105*100)=.02158% died in the same period. Thus the chances of dying from Covid-19 if you are un-vaccinated is (0.021158/0.00054)= 40 times as likely as it would be if you are vaccinated.

Yes, the vaccinated can catch and transmit Covid-19 but the unvaccinated are FORTY TIMES as likely to die of it. The figures for hospitalization and intubation are similar.

(All data obtained from the website of the British Columbia Centre for Disease Control).

[goboatingnow]

I fail to see why we continue to argue with anti Vaxxers , it’s the pig wrestling maxim . They are societal free loaders and the public will loose patience with them. Expect lots of clamp downs as a result

[GordMay]

Alberta health-care system sets another record with 312 patients in intensive care

There are currently 312 patients in intensive care units (ICUs), the vast majority of whom are COVID-19 positive, according an Alberta Health Services (AHS) statement, posted on Monday morning.[1]

AHS continues to open additional ICU spaces and redeploy staff to meet patient demand, including opening another 38 surge beds in the past week, the statement said.

There are currently 370 ICU beds in Alberta, including 197 surge spaces. ICU capacity, including surge beds, is at 84 per cent.

A 52-page critical care triage protocol [2, developed by AHS, describes how the health-care system would ration care if ICUs no longer have the resources to care for every critically ill patient.

[1] AHS Facilities: ICU Updates & Temporary Space Reductions
➥ https://www.albertahealthservices.ca/br/page17593.aspx

[2] Critical Care Triage during Pandemic or Disaster- A Framework for Alberta
➥ https://www.albertahealthservices.ca...-framework.pdf

[kmacdonald]

Well gentlemen, Florida has one of the highest vaccination rates in the country but also has one of the highest covid rates. Good news is vaccinations are available in most drugstores, right next to the tampons.

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by kmacdonald

Well gentlemen, Florida has one of the highest vaccination rates in the country ...

Vermont has the highest percentage of its population, fully vaccinated against COVID-19, according to the CDC's COVID-19 vaccine distribution and administration data tracker.
Vermont:
Number of people fully vaccinated: 432,415
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 69.3

As of 6 a.m. EDT Sept. 26, a total of 183,670,870 Americans had been fully vaccinated, or 55.3 percent of the country's population, according to the CDC's data.

Florida ranked #21:
Number of people fully vaccinated: 12,218,505
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 56.89

At #51, West Virginia ranked last:
Number of people fully vaccinated: 723,054
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 40.35

See ➥ https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...-march-15.html

[goboatingnow]

Wow 55% at this stage is quite a low figure

[danstanford]

Originally Posted by kmacdonald

Well gentlemen, Florida has one of the highest vaccination rates in the country but also has one of the highest covid rates. Good news is vaccinations are available in most drugstores, right next to the tampons.

All that makes sense if you accept the premise that the vaccine is not a panacea to infection but rather that it lowers the acuity of the sickness. This would mean behaviours and exposure drive the infection rates as is seen anecdotally in Florida and in Alberta here.

The resultant question would be are we really seeing less very sick people and should we be less scared of controlling the spread? Why does it seem that we don't seem to be able to hear much in the way of analysis over the shouting about getting vaccinated.

For the record, I am vaccinated and support it every way and every chance I get.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by danstanford

Why does it seem that we don't seem to be able to hear much in the way of analysis over the shouting about getting vaccinated.

We're hearing plenty about places like Alberta and Sasketchewan where their healthcare has been swamped. No analysis needed; if healthcare can't easily cope with the COVID caseload, and other non-COVID treatments are being delayed, there's too many.

[CatNewBee]

Originally Posted by pcmm

I hate to do it, but do you have legitimate sources for this ascertation?

Sure, some scientific sources and a random selection of your MSM ECHO chambers...

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02187-1

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....31.21261387v1

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-v...-unvaccinated/

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...-boosters.aspx

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...V-2-delta.aspx

https://www.bioworld.com/articles/51...ated?v=preview

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/d...d-b951377.html

https://www.theweek.co.uk/news/scien...ford-ons-study

[CatNewBee]

Originally Posted by Stu Jackson

Murray,


No, they simply don't. No shame, no empathy, no sense of what a civil society is.


Their freedumb never gets to them even when they're dying from Covid denying its existence and asking for horse dewormer.


Sad to say that's altogether a true story. Too damn often.


They don't read, they don't think and their first impulse is nastiness, viciousness and physical abuse.


But they're the victims here, right?


They make me sick. And could, literally, those ba$tards.


And then there's this angle:


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/27/o...-fairness.html

Well this horse dewormer keeps the infection under control in India with less hospitalizations, infections and deaths with a much lower vaccination rate well better than the vaccines in Canada, USA, Europe, ...

https://youtu.be/eO9cjy3Rydc