Canadian COVID-19 News

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by NaClyDog

Mike, based on your posting history alone from the time I've been on this forum, I have a great deal of respect for you.

They have all been put on ignore but the feeding just shows their posts anyway (as the reply). This is a boating forum, I hate to see it being used as a platform for those kinds of people to spread their poison.

I know... and I agree. But this is why if we all just ignore them, they'll go away. And if no one quotes them, they'll vanish completely.

Your comments, thoughts and observations are always reasonable and civil. I really would hate to lose your contributions here. The thread would be poorer for it.

Stay .

[AKA-None]

Thanks for the info on CA drug coverage. Yes a bit OT but I’ve learned quite a bit about CA healthcare on this thread, thanks.

I’d thought it was like GB but sounds different enough to be it’s own thing.

Back to CA Covid does the healthcare coverage address full payment if you end up in the icu? In the US it usually stands for I’ll see you at the bank

[Macblaze]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

I know... and I agree. But this is why if we all just ignore them, they'll go away. And if no one quotes them, they'll vanish completely.

Your comments, thoughts and observations are always reasonable and civil. I really would hate to lose your contributions here. The thread would be poorer for it.

Stay .

It's "funny" that people get so upset with idiots. My partner works in an organized and educated environment and somehow assumes that it means the bell curve between saints and idiots should somehow be better. Truth is while most people occupy that big hump in the middle, its still a pretty big spread... and you will always find someone or something to annoy you.

Like I always say: ignore it like duck off a water's back... Ain't that the Canuck way? Eh.

[Macblaze]

Originally Posted by AKA-None

Back to CA Covid does the healthcare coverage address full payment if you end up in the icu? In the US it usually stands for I’ll see you at the bank

For the average Canadian the idea that you will get a bill for anything other than the ambulance ride to the hospital is a pretty foreign concept. Not saying it doesn't happen but we generally don't expect it.

[sv_pelagia]

Originally Posted by AKA-None

Back to CA Covid does the healthcare coverage address full payment if you end up in the icu? In the US it usually stands for I’ll see you at the bank

A Canadian resident ends up in the ICU (indeed, as of yesterday, my brother-in-law is in the cardiac ICU... now doing much better) and there will not be a bill. (Oddy, there may be an ambulance bill... not that costly). Here in Canada, not only would an ICU bill not be sent, but such a bill would be illegal (against the Canada Health Act).

There can be difficulties falling ill outside your home province (i. e., in another province/territory), but costs are still mostly covered by interprovincial agreements (and the Canada Health Act).

[kmacdonald]

Originally Posted by NaClyDog

Ladies and gents, I hate to say it but... it may just be better to ask to have this thread closed in lieu of allowing it to be used by trolls, misinformation specialists and outright liars.


It's been made abundantly clear we will not be able to have a thread here about Canadian COVID-19 News.


The inmates are running the asylum.


I'm out.

Don't let them crank your tractor like that. Just put them on ignore. I hate to see fellow boaters get worked up over the little things.

[Scorpius]

Originally Posted by AKA-None

Thanks for the info on CA drug coverage. Yes a bit OT but I’ve learned quite a bit about CA healthcare on this thread, thanks.

I’d thought it was like GB but sounds different enough to be it’s own thing.

Back to CA Covid does the healthcare coverage address full payment if you end up in the icu? In the US it usually stands for I’ll see you at the bank

Here in BC hospital stays are, to the best of my knowledge, always free, including drugs, radiological services, etc. I don't know about the other provinces - but I expect it is the same. It may a requirement from the feds as a condition of providing funding. There can be charges for ancillary services however. For example, here in BC there is a nominal charge for ambulance services - unless you are low income.

There are also no charges to visit a doctor and for some other medical services outside of hospitals - but not all. It's complicated.

However drugs (except if administered in a hospital) are not covered unless you are covered by PharmaCare due to low income.

It is possible to buy private insurance (or get it via an employment benefit plan) to cover those things not covered by your provincial plan - including drugs.

[sv_pelagia]

Originally Posted by kmacdonald

Don't let them crank your tractor like that. Just put them on ignore. I hate to see fellow boaters get worked up over the little things.

That's precious.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by AKA-None

Back to CA Covid does the healthcare coverage address full payment if you end up in the icu? In the US it usually stands for I’ll see you at the bank

As others have said, no bill, no direct costs. Anything administered in a hospital is funded via our provincial health insurance systems. This is similar to almost every other developed nation -- almost .

But Canada's public health insurance system has significant gaps, and is definitely not the best in the world. In terms of outcomes, we look pretty good. Cost is modest (we used to be #2), but we have significant gaps such as pharmaceuticals outside of hospital settings, lack or limited coverage for other allied health services (rehab, long-term-care, speech, physio, OT, optometry, audiology...).

Lots of room for improvement.

[desodave]

Originally Posted by AKA-None

Thanks for the info on CA drug coverage. Yes a bit OT but I’ve learned quite a bit about CA healthcare on this thread, thanks.

I’d thought it was like GB but sounds different enough to be it’s own thing.

Back to CA Covid does the healthcare coverage address full payment if you end up in the icu? In the US it usually stands for I’ll see you at the bank

Yes GB is the National Health Service, a national organization funded and principally operated by the national government, albeit with more and more contracted out services.

In Canada the provinces operate the healthcare system and are largely funded through the Canada Health Act, national legislation that came about because the Provinces and the Feds agreed that we should have a national, fully funded healthcare system. The Feds have most of the taxation powers in our country so are an essential component. As others have said here, the Feds set standards for the Provinces to meet to be able to get their funding. The intent is to have the same level of healthcare in prosperous and poor areas of the country, so the $$ are really important to the smaller, less prosperous provinces.

[Stu Jackson]

Originally Posted by NaClyDog

Mike, based on your posting history alone from the time I've been on this forum, I have a great deal of respect for you.



They have all been put on ignore but the feeding just shows their posts anyway (as the reply). This is a boating forum, I hate to see it being used as a platform for those kinds of people to spread their poison.

And I respect you both, too. I have been thinking that perhaps the option of having them expose themselves here where there is room for serious, factual, well written responses to the lies and BS may have much merit.


Sometimes when I'm just ready to spit because of the absurdities being bandied about sans facts and can't right-away think of the reply that would be merited, someone replies and comes up with yet another good reason that the post warranted a fact check. And one I hadn't considered and will add the things that need to be said about the drivel. "Why I hadn't thought about it just that way."



Perhaps it's good and it's not bothsiderisms, which I hate. And not more of a he said-she saisd malarkey. It's more a matter of this community, offered the space to do so, may rebut the things said that make no sense, are dogma or worse, and/or misleading at best.

[kmacdonald]

Originally Posted by desodave

Yes GB is the National Health Service, a national organization funded and principally operated by the national government, albeit with more and more contracted out services.

In Canada the provinces operate the healthcare system and are largely funded through the Canada Health Act, national legislation that came about because the Provinces and the Feds agreed that we should have a national, fully funded healthcare system. The Feds have most of the taxation powers in our country so are an essential component. As others have said here, the Feds set standards for the Provinces to meet to be able to get their funding. The intent is to have the same level of healthcare in prosperous and poor areas of the country, so the $$ are really important to the smaller, less prosperous provinces.

Is school funding handled the same way? What about college? Just curious.

[AKA-None]

Originally Posted by desodave

Yes GB is the National Health Service, a national organization funded and principally operated by the national government, albeit with more and more contracted out services.

In Canada the provinces operate the healthcare system and are largely funded through the Canada Health Act, national legislation that came about because the Provinces and the Feds agreed that we should have a national, fully funded healthcare system. The Feds have most of the taxation powers in our country so are an essential component. As others have said here, the Feds set standards for the Provinces to meet to be able to get their funding. The intent is to have the same level of healthcare in prosperous and poor areas of the country, so the $$ are really important to the smaller, less prosperous provinces.

So it sounds, in some ways, similar to Aus. Or am I mistaken?

Actually what has been described as missing is pretty much the same missing from Medicare in the US, you have to get supplemental insurance but you don’t go bankrupt if you get seriously ill.

Now it starts to make sense why you’re pushing for 100% vaccinations as stuff like icu care drives up every ones cost.

Again thanks for the education!

[CatNewBee]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

As others have said, no bill, no direct costs. Anything administered in a hospital is funded via our provincial health insurance systems. This is similar to almost every other developed nation -- almost .

But Canada's public health insurance system has significant gaps, and is definitely not the best in the world. In terms of outcomes, we look pretty good. Cost is modest (we used to be #2), but we have significant gaps such as pharmaceuticals outside of hospital settings, lack or limited coverage for other allied health services (rehab, long-term-care, speech, physio, OT, optometry, audiology...).

Lots of room for improvement.

Yes, socialism, where you loose it all.

[Scorpius]

Originally Posted by kmacdonald

Is school funding handled the same way? What about college? Just curious.

Provinces pay 100% of K-12 education and heavily subsidize post-secondary education. In BC, "private" schools (K-12) are also subsidized but students (their families) still pay substantial fees.

The federal government provides some funding to universities via research grants, etc.

As previously mentioned, under our Constitution, the federal government has most of the taxation authority in the country. In recognition of this imbalance, the federal government, according to a complicated formula, makes large "transfer payments" to the provinces. The funds largely go into the province's "General Revenue" and can be spent on any provincial program - including health care, education, justice, highways, social services, etc.