Canadian COVID-19 News

[desodave]

Originally Posted by kmacdonald

Is school funding handled the same way? What about college? Just curious.

No - universities are funded by the Provinces although I think there may still be a few Federal $$ that go to the Provinces for higher education purposes. There used to be (40 yrs ago) a significant amount of Fed $$ for advanced education - it was seen as a national priority then. Colleges are funded by the province - I don't know whether there is any Fed $$ at all that goes into those systems.

[Stu Jackson]

Originally Posted by CatNewBee

Yes, socialism, where you loose it all.

Wow, that was quick. And just chock full of facts. How's your "Social" Security comin' along?

[kmacdonald]

Originally Posted by Stu Jackson

Wow, that was quick. And just chock full of facts. How's your "Social" Security comin' along?

I fortunately won't need it but the $2500/month will be nice pocket change. SS was only meant to subsidize retirement, not fully fund it.

[desodave]

Originally Posted by AKA-None

So it sounds, in some ways, similar to Aus. Or am I mistaken?

Actually what has been described as missing is pretty much the same missing from Medicare in the US, you have to get supplemental insurance but you don’t go bankrupt if you get seriously ill.

Now it starts to make sense why you’re pushing for 100% vaccinations as stuff like icu care drives up every ones cost.

Again thanks for the education!

You're welcome.


Yes - everyone gets care and at public expense so we're all very conscious of the demands on the system, whether medical or financial.



I don't enough about the Aus system to comment but it sounds state run from what I've read.



Prescription drug costs, ambulance fees and wage/earnings loss are the only things that the individual has to absorb in Canada. As others have mentioned in the thread, employer or union benefit plans often have some coverage in these areas.

[kmacdonald]

Any way you look at it, someone is paying for healthcare. In the US, Obamacare pays the lions share for couples earning less than about $45000/year I think. That's if you don't have a work offered health plan. There is also a minimum income to qualify and if you make less then you get medicaid. At 65 Medicare takes over. The benefit for couples that qualify is about $25000/year. You could even have millions in a 401k retirement plan and still get the full benefit. It's a juggling act to play the system and everyone that can does so.

[Mike OReilly]

Can we get back CANADIAN COVID-19 NEWS? Here's something interesting.

G&M:
Alberta, B.C., Saskatchewan ask Ottawa to send one-shot J&J COVID-19 vaccines to boost uptake

Alberta, Saskatchewan and British Columbia have asked the federal government for tens of thousands of doses of the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine for people who are uncomfortable with mRNA technology, even though hundreds of millionsof doses have been safely administered.

The Johnson & Johnson vaccine is less effective against COVID-19 than the shots made by Pfizer and Moderna with mRNA technology. Canada’s independent immunization advisory group recommends mRNA vaccines because they are not linked to rare cases of serious blood clots, which viral vector vaccines such as the one from Johnson & Johnson have been.

Do people honestly think the majority of the "hesitant" will be swayed by this move? I really doubt it, but as the article concludes:

“Is it going have a big, needle-moving crazy effect? No, but nothing is anymore.”

[kmacdonald]

Is the vaccine free in Canada? What's the canadian vaccination rate?

[Scorpius]

Originally Posted by kmacdonald

Is the vaccine free in Canada? What's the canadian vaccination rate?

Yes, it's free - and readily available.

As of September 18, 75.25% of eligible Canadian adults have received at least one dose and 71.6% have received two shots.

[kmacdonald]

For the US as of Sept 18, 64.4 one dose and 55.2 fully vaccinated. It's free here also and readily available. Some states are even paying people to get vaccinated.

I didn't expect there to be such a big difference between Canada and the US.

[Scorpius]

Originally Posted by kmacdonald

For the US as of Sept 18, 64.4 one dose and 55.2 fully vaccinated. It's free here also and readily available. Some states are even paying people to get vaccinated.

I didn't expect there to be such a big difference between Canada and the US.

I think there are fewer anti-vaxxers, and very little media and political support for the anti-vax movement in Canada. Possibly the reason for a lot of it is that the provincial (state) governments have to carry the medical costs and must directly manage the health care systems (hospitals, etc.) and the premiers (governors) are responsible.

Also, Canada and Canadians steer somewhat to the left of the US generally.

[Macblaze]

Originally Posted by Scorpius

Also, Canada and Canadians steer somewhat to the left of the US generally.

Somewhat. Lol.

And seriously. Can we stop quoting kmac. I know he sounds reasonable some of the time. Its the one thing that makes block lists a bit less than useful and he really has no place or purpose here other than to be a force for dissension.

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Can we get back CANADIAN COVID-19 NEWS? Here's something interesting.

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Do people honestly think the majority of the "hesitant" will be swayed by this move? I really doubt it, but as the article concludes:

Ya Mike, that is 100% the UCP's policy. Convince them one at a time. To them the 70,000 vaccines at $100 a pop was a raging success. One shot vaccines might account for another 20 or 30 thousand... We will have this slicked by Christmas ... 2025...

Actually I wouldn't be so bitter about it if was more of a mopping up action than their main battle plan. It always kills me when "fiscal" oriented gov'ts cut and slash until the problem outgrows the infrastructure then throws money at it like it was some sort of panacea

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Macblaze

And seriously. Can we stop quoting kmac. I know he sounds reasonable some of the time. Its the one thing that makes block lists a bit less than useful and he really has no place or purpose here other than to be a force for dissension.

Completely agree. He's not a serious interlocutor.

Originally Posted by Macblaze

Ya Mike, that is 100% the UCP's policy. Convince them one at a time. To them the 70,000 vaccines at $100 a pop was a raging success. One shot vaccines might account for another 20 or 30 thousand... We will have this slicked by Christmas ... 2025...

Actually I wouldn't be so bitter about it if was more of a mopping up action than their main battle plan. It always kills me when "fiscal" oriented gov'ts cut and slash until the problem outgrows the infrastructure then throws money at it like it was some sort of panacea

I'm sure it will help, and I'm all for being creative and doing all we can to get more people vaccinated. But it's naive to think that the type of vaccine is the actual issue to most of the anti-folks getting the jab. If this were the case, most of these people could have already got at least one shot of the Astra-Zeneca vaccine. They didn't.

[Mike OReilly]

Not really news, but illustrative of one aspect of our national problem:

Jesus was a healer': One man's rage at anti-vaccination pastors in local churches

And he's exhausted emotionally because he believes he can trace those infections back to a local church with a pastor who, he's been told, "discouraged people from protecting themselves" with vaccinations, masks and physical distancing.

"Different people who are connected with that church have explained, they have shared with me, that that pastor used this disease as a way to test people's faith in the Lord."

I realize this represents a minority of faith groups, but there is this persistent connection between anti-vaxxers and some religious orders. Sad...

[kmacdonald]

It's really sad to see the prejudices of a few members come to light in its full ugliness. It's not enough for them to display their own hatred, they feel the need to encourage others to do the same. Yes, that's a bully.

[yacht.wanderer]

How on Earth can those who chose to be vaccinated, actually be so afraid of folk who choose not to have the procedure. Surely, vaccinated people are the one’s who pose most risk to those who are not ? Seems pretty odd to the thinking Man..