Canadian COVID-19 News

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Well Chris Sky is. That’s rather like being head butted by a dead sheep.

I have not heard of him before. I guess I have not missed much.

[Scorpius]

Originally Posted by N Coast Murray

I believe I was a participant in an epidemiological experiment this weekend.

The town where I live has a population of 8,000 and is well over 90% for first vaccinations and in the high 80's for double vaccinations.

We just had our first Christmas Arts & Crafts Fair since Covid hit, and there was a directive from Provincial health authorities that there was to be no checking to see if anyone was vaccinated.

No questions asked, no vaccine passport needed, anybody and everybody allowed in over the two days of the event.

My theory is, it was a test run for when BC and Canada move into the endemic phase. It'll be interesting to see in a few weeks if there is a measurable jump in Covid case numbers.

Apparently, in Germany, they have stopped sharing total Covid cases and separate flu-like Covid cases from hospitalized Covid cases. Anyways, it was great to see so many old friends and mingle with strangers again!

Based on the rules subsequently posted it would appear that your Christmas fair was in clear violation.

[N Coast Murray]

Originally Posted by Scorpius

Based on the rules subsequently posted it would appear that your Christmas fair was in clear violation.

No, it was specifically allowed for by Provincial health authorities.

[Scorpius]

Originally Posted by N Coast Murray

No, it was specifically allowed for by Provincial health authorities.

I'm surprised - and somewhat dismayed.

[N Coast Murray]

Originally Posted by Scorpius

I'm surprised - and somewhat dismayed.

I think it's a good sign.

As posted a little earlier, it's my theory that it was a test run of how things could be when Canada moves from pandemic to endemic in its management of Covid-19.

At some point Canada will have to open things up.

The vaccination rate here for 1 shot is over 90% and double shots is in the high 80's making this little town with it's long time low & stable Covid case rate the perfect spot to run such an experiment. Me-thinks this was a one-off, then they'll sit back for a month or so to see what happens.

I can see a multi tiered system where areas with high vaccination rates will be given more freedom while areas of the country with low vaccination rates will continue to have restrictions.

This will give the health care system a chance to catch up on all the surgeries and medical procedures delayed or cancelled because of unvaccinated people clogging the system due to catching Covid.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by N Coast Murray

I can see a multi tiered system where areas with high vaccination rates will be given more freedom while areas of the country with low vaccination rates will continue to have restrictions.

This will give the health care system a chance to catch up on all the surgeries and medical procedures delayed or cancelled because of unvaccinated people clogging the system due to catching Covid.

I think this is right, and restrictions will remain or be re-implemented if a region's COVID hospitalization rate goes up over some threshold. Our gut feeling is that vaccine passports and most other restrictions might be over in Canada by mid 2022.

[CatNewBee]

You may want to read and understand this perhaps?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...648-4/fulltext

[Scorpius]

Originally Posted by CatNewBee

You may want to read and understand this perhaps?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...648-4/fulltext

Perhaps you'd like to explain the point you are trying to get across.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Scorpius

Perhaps you'd like to explain the point you are trying to get across.

I think the summary is quite clear. I'm surprised our anti-friend here is quoting it, but perhaps it means he's finally accepting reality:

Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.

Sadly, I suspect (as you do ) that our friend has trouble following the basic logic of the statement above, or more likely has been led by the nose by some disinformation source, and has mistakenly interpreted it as some sort of evidence that vaccines are not useful.

[wingssail]

Originally Posted by CatNewBee

You may want to read and understand this perhaps?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...648-4/fulltext

You may want to make your point and if you want to, back it up with a link to a study.

Otherwise you are just saying, "go read this" and we're supposed to do that?

If you say jump, we jump?

Nuts. I'll just ignore you unless you take the time to summarize the article and make your point clear.

[sv_pelagia]

"ignore" is an appropriate response....

I read the article. Nothing we didn't already know and nothing that argues against vaccination. Yes, vaccinated have breakthrough cases and can infect others. But as many other studies show, those vaccinated are less likely to be infected and if infected, suffer fewer symptoms, if any. Oh, and the cited study indicates the vaccinated actually clear the virus faster. [There were limitations to the study which limit the meaningfulness of the results: (i) the vaccinated were much older than the non-vax, (ii) they only studied individuals her were symptomatic.]

[Macblaze]

Originally Posted by wingssail

Nuts. I'll just ignore you unless you take the time to summarize the article and make your point clear.

May I suggest we ignore him regardless? His intent is to try and disrupt. Let's just leave him to his own narrative.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Macblaze

May I suggest we ignore him regardless? His intent is to try and disrupt. Let's just leave him to his own narrative.

Yes ... excellent advice. I will get back to doing just that . He's going to come back with some nonsense. Just ignore him.

[N Coast Murray]

Originally Posted by Macblaze

May I suggest we ignore him regardless? His intent is to try and disrupt. Let's just leave him to his own narrative.

A most excellent idea

Done

[longjonsilver]

Just in and this is big:

The vaxxed are 1.8 times more likely to die than the unvaxxed:

https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/...unvaccinated-d
eath-rate-in-sept-2021-uk-office-for-national-statistics/

The source is UK statistics and the data is for the 8 weeks ending Sept 24

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat.../deaths/datase
ts/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland

Those that got 2 doses of the vax were more likely to die than those that only got one.

Data set is huge - people 10-59 years of age, 17 million vaxxed and 7 million unvaxxed.

Check it out for yourself
jon

i just tried thelinks in my post and you might have to add the unhighlighted sections to get the link to work