Canadian COVID-19 News

[NaClyDog]

Originally Posted by longjonsilver

Just in and this is big:

The vaxxed are 1.8 times more likely to die than the unvaxxed:

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The source is UK statistics and the data is for the 8 weeks ending Sept 24

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Those that got 2 doses of the vax were more likely to die than those that only got one.

Data set is huge - people 10-59 years of age, 17 million vaxxed and 7 million unvaxxed.

Check it out for yourself
jon

i just tried thelinks in my post and you might have to add the unhighlighted sections to get the link to work

Posting links to a home made website that has the following at the bottom;

Am I missing something? If this is correct, which it looks like it probably is, then it should set off serious alarm bells! This is the smoking gun of all smoking guns… the numbers are in, here they are.

This isn't proof of anything. It's made up bovine scatology.


If you have real proof of this made up drivel, please post it but stop spreading lies!!!

[Macblaze]

Originally Posted by NaClyDog

Posting links to a home made website that has the following at the bottom;


This isn't proof of anything. It's made up bovine scatology.

Come on...you don't trust virology statistics that come from www.investmentwatchblog.com? They tell me those financial guy are on the ball and he's a blogger so not tied to any big investment firms!!

[danstanford]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...care-covid-19/

Though I understand where the people who choose not to be vaccinated are coming from, I do think they should be paying whatever costs arise from their decision. This leads there but I cannot imagine where this slippery slope would lead us in Canada. Would you have to prove that your lung cancer did not arise because you smoked? Would you have to prove the levels of physical activity you engaged in prior to being treated for a heart attack?

[N Coast Murray]

Originally Posted by longjonsilver

Just in and this is big:

The vaxxed are 1.8 times more likely to die than the unvaxxed:

https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/...unvaccinated-d
eath-rate-in-sept-2021-uk-office-for-national-statistics/

The source is UK statistics and the data is for the 8 weeks ending Sept 24

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat.../deaths/datase
ts/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland

Those that got 2 doses of the vax were more likely to die than those that only got one.

Data set is huge - people 10-59 years of age, 17 million vaxxed and 7 million unvaxxed.

Check it out for yourself
jon

i just tried thelinks in my post and you might have to add the unhighlighted sections to get the link to work

Sigh...

The first sentence in the first link you provided states, "This is for all types of death, not just covid deaths".

Using your sample size, 17 million vaccinated vs 7 million unvaccinated, the number of deaths (from all causes) in the vaccinated group should be over twice that of the unvaccinated group.

Looks to me like the unvaccinated are dying off at a much greater rate than the vaccinated. I wonder what might be causing such an effect?

[sv_pelagia]

Originally Posted by longjonsilver

Just in and this is big:

The vaxxed are 1.8 times more likely to die than the unvaxxed:

https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/...unvaccinated-d
eath-rate-in-sept-2021-uk-office-for-national-statistics/

The source is UK statistics and the data is for the 8 weeks ending Sept 24

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat.../deaths/datase
ts/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland

Those that got 2 doses of the vax were more likely to die than those that only got one.

Data set is huge - people 10-59 years of age, 17 million vaxxed and 7 million unvaxxed.

Check it out for yourself
jon

i just tried thelinks in my post and you might have to add the unhighlighted sections to get the link to work

Garbage.

(and given the vaccinated in UK were mostly very old and frail, especially early on, of course they show a higher death rate... doh!)


But to another point:
This thread is about Covid-19 in Canada! If you want to make a point, be sure to consider Canadian data.

FYI, Canadian data contradicts your anti-vax claims. For example (from the BC CDC):

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by danstanford

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...care-covid-19/

Though I understand where the people who choose not to be vaccinated are coming from, I do think they should be paying whatever costs arise from their decision. This leads there but I cannot imagine where this slippery slope would lead us in Canada. Would you have to prove that your lung cancer did not arise because you smoked? Would you have to prove the levels of physical activity you engaged in prior to being treated for a heart attack?

I'm a strong advocate for Covid-19 vaccination. I'm OK with making the unvaccinated pay for such things as their own regular testing (in lieu of vaccination). But I think withholding needed medical services* is a slope too slippery.

(* Making the individual pay is equivalent to withholding service for people who are not rich.)

As you point out Dan, there are too many lifestyle choices which can lead to better, or worse, health outcomes. Heck, sailing off towards the horizon brings with it certain self-inflicted risks. In this way of thinking, it's not much of a leap to say cruisers should not be covered by public health insurance.

No... although it grinds my gears to see all the unnecessary infections, and it pisses me off that public resources are being needlessly squandered, I still think this Singapore approach presents too much danger to a free society.

[N Coast Murray]

Cigarette smokers pay a heavy tax which in theory goes toward their health care needs later. Newfoundland and Labrador recently started taxing sugary drinks for much the same reason.

In the Canadian context I can't see a way of taxing the unvaccinated to help pay for their increased health care needs.

After a 1 minute solution searching deep dive on this issue, how about we stick Atco trailers in hospital parking lots and equip them for Covid-19 patient care.

This would free up beds in hospitals so they can begin to catch up on all the surgeries and medical procedures cancelled or postponed because of unvaccinated people clogging the system.

Afterwards, the extra staff can be absorbed into the hospitals where staffing seems to always be tight. Mandatory overtime sucks.

[danstanford]

Originally Posted by N Coast Murray

Cigarette smokers pay a heavy tax which in theory goes toward their health care needs later. Newfoundland and Labrador recently started taxing sugary drinks for much the same reason.

In the Canadian context I can't see a way of taxing the unvaccinated to help pay for their increased health care needs.

After a 1 minute solution searching deep dive on this issue, how about we stick Atco trailers in hospital parking lots and equip them for Covid-19 patient care.

This would free up beds in hospitals so they can begin to catch up on all the surgeries and medical procedures cancelled or postponed because of unvaccinated people clogging the system.

Afterwards, the extra staff can be absorbed into the hospitals where staffing seems to always be tight. Mandatory overtime sucks.

There is no way taxes on cigarettes will ever pay for the cost of lung cancer treatments in our system. Further, at least in Ontario, a vast number of people are buying their cigarettes from Aboriginal sources and paying zero tax on the cigarettes.

[Stu Jackson]

Originally Posted by N Coast Murray

Afterwards, the extra staff can be absorbed into the hospitals where staffing seems to always be tight.

Isn't that a self-contradictory statement?

[N Coast Murray]

Originally Posted by Stu Jackson

Isn't that a self-contradictory statement?

No, because the proposed two tier second class citizen Atco trailer parking lot Covid wards, and the staff needed to work in them, don't exist yet.

[N Coast Murray]

Originally Posted by danstanford

There is no way taxes on cigarettes will ever pay for the cost of lung cancer treatments in our system. Further, at least in Ontario, a vast number of people are buying their cigarettes from Aboriginal sources and paying zero tax on the cigarettes.

I said "go toward" not fund fully.

[Scorpius]

Originally Posted by N Coast Murray

After a 1 minute solution searching deep dive on this issue, how about we stick Atco trailers in hospital parking lots and equip them for Covid-19 patient care.

This would free up beds in hospitals so they can begin to catch up on all the surgeries and medical procedures cancelled or postponed because of unvaccinated people clogging the system.

Afterwards, the extra staff can be absorbed into the hospitals where staffing seem to always be tight. Mandatory overtime sucks.

China did exactly that (with their version of Atco trailers) in Wuhqn right at the beginning of the pandemic and added THOUSANDS of beds to their health care capacity within a matter of weeks - and the US and others have also set up temporary hospitals to deal with surges. However lack of qualified staff is a huge constraint on any of these solutions - whatever way you slice it.

[N Coast Murray]

Originally Posted by Scorpius

China did exactly that (with their version of Atco trailers) in Wuhqn right at the beginning of the pandemic and added THOUSANDS of beds to their health care capacity within a matter of weeks - and the US and others have also set up temporary hospitals to deal with surges. However lack of qualified staff is a huge constraint on any of these solutions - whatever way you slice it.

And don't forget welding shut doors to high rise apartment buildings!

Yup...staffing would be hard.

As far as pandemics go, this one had been easy on us. It could have had a 25% or more mortality rate, or been similar to a seal colony I saw where they had huge, bulging, blood shot eyes and long tendrils of bloody snot hanging from their noses.

[Scorpius]

Originally Posted by N Coast Murray

And don't forget welding shut doors to high rise apartment buildings!

Yup...staffing would be hard.

As far as pandemics go, this one had been easy on us. It could have had a 25% or more mortality rate, or been similar to a seal colony I saw where they had huge, bulging, blood shot eyes and long tendrils of bloody snot hanging from their noses.

The original SARS, Ebola, and a few others are worse but the international community was able to jump on them quickly and keep them contained. Unfortunately Covid-19 originated in China and the rest of us knew little or nothing about it before it had spread around the world via tourism, etc. (Thailand was receiving 35 THOUSAND Chinese tourists A DAY in January of 2020. I know. I was there. I was SO fortunate to get out unscathed).

[N Coast Murray]

Originally Posted by Scorpius

The original SARS, Ebola, and a few others are worse but the international community was able to jump on them quickly and keep them contained. Unfortunately Covid-19 originated in China and the rest of us knew little or nothing about it before it had spread around the world via tourism, etc. (Thailand was receiving 35 THOUSAND Chinese tourists A DAY in January of 2020. I know. I was there. I was SO fortunate to get out unscathed).

SARS and Ebola can be spread person to person, but not as easily as Covid-19...that's the reason for it reaching such pandemic proportions. Maybe later I'll look up their R0 numbers compared to Covid-19.